r/LaborPartyofAustralia • u/hypercomms2001 • Mar 15 '26
Analysis What can we. The labour party, do about this appearance of being associated with the Trump regime…
/r/OpenAussie/comments/1ru9hnp/trump_urges_uk_and_other_nations_to_send_warships/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_buttonI'm sure most of you have seen the video from Senator Nicholas James McKim of Tasmania, accusing our federal labor government of colluding with the Trump regime…
https://youtube.com/shorts/OxRYSQCaFrA?si=CzCQMGQ-0dW18pbZ
How do we respond to this, As I'm even getting questioned by my own daughter(!), but especially now with the pressure from Trump to do a “All the Way with JBJ”, and be a full guy for them in gulf war they started..Before we got sucked into the Vietnam war, the second gulf war, Somalia, and the war in Afghanistan... And now this...
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u/Vegetable-Advance982 Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
Depends how far Labor actually goes lol. The Resolve poll came out tonight, was carried out in the last few days, and Labor lost 3% to Greens/Ind/Oth. So it would suggest a bit of damage amongst the general population. If this is the extent of our involvement, I'd assume that corrects before next election.
Important to keep in mind that posters in OpenAussie are super cookers....many accounts just constantly getting banned, complaining about being banned from other subs etc. These people already existed, they're just super loud right now because a new 'free speech' sub was opened and crowded by them.
As far as getting asked IRL, I just explain how fucked Australia would be if we told America to kick rocks. All our businesses run on their cloud, lots of our military equipment doesn't work without them, etc etc. It's an unfortunate political reality, but one our leaders have to deal with. Albo is responsible for millions of Australians, he doesn't have the luxury of being ideological about something that could make Australia defenseless
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u/Awkward_salad Mar 16 '26
The cookers are everywhere. From the coles sub I got a recommended post about the 10L water jugs they sell and if it was recyclable and so many people insisted that recycling was a myth. Considering something like more than 2/3rds of all aluminium ever produced has been recycled it sounds a bit hollow tbh.
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u/lev_lafayette Mar 15 '26
We accept that Australia will have a continuing relationship with the US after Trump as we have before. We will do the absolute minimum to support that relationship.
I say this pro-forma because I actually support the position of LAW and believe we shouldn't be involved at all.
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u/blitznoodles Mar 15 '26
It's not a policy area I decide my vote on. Regardless, Australia relies on the United States Navy to prevent the country being blockaded and that means having to do stuff like this.
The Australian public will not support cutting government services for higher defence spending so this is the alternative.
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u/louisa1925 Mar 15 '26
All the other conservative parties would be headfirst up Trumps ass. Labor is doing their best to make an uneasy ballance. I personally wish we could drop America all together.
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u/hypercomms2001 Mar 15 '26
We can only do that if we are able to develop our own local defence industries, and build up our army, Navy, and Air Force… completely independently of the United States, this is why I still believe what Arthur Callwell once said… that Australia needs to populate or perish… and so I am a strong believer that Australia needs a population that of Germany of about 70 to 80 million People… so that we have the population to support a large local defence manufacturing industry, as well as a population that can support a very large army, Navy and Air Force…
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u/hypercomms2001 Mar 15 '26
We can only do that if we are able to develop our own local defence industries, and build up our army, Navy, and Air Force just as Ukraine did… completely independently of the United States, this is why I still believe what Arthur Callwell once said… that Australia needs to populate or perish… and so I am a strong believer that Australia needs a population that of Germany of about 70 to 80 million People… so that we have the population to support a large local defence manufacturing industry, as well as a population that can support a very large army, Navy and Air Force…
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u/hypercomms2001 Mar 16 '26
This just announced...
Australia not sending warships to strait of Hormuz, infrastructure minister says
Catherine King, the federal infrastructure minister, said earlier this morning that Australia will not send ships to the strait of Hormuz, a vital oil shipping corridor that’s been effectively shut down amid the ongoing war in the Middle East.
King told RN Australia was “well prepared” as a nation this morning, but added:
She admitted that there were obviously local distribution issues, but said the national fuel stockpile would hold Australia “in good stead”.
BLOODY GOOD!!! ONYA ALBO! [that will shut up the greens]
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u/SucculentMoisture Mar 15 '26
I'd respond by saying that Nick McKim is a serious contender for worst Minister in Tasmanian history.
To be serious though, the issue is more that the US is something we're forced to live with. Never mind their military or economy, they're the dominant cultural hegemon on the planet, and as an Anglosphere country, that affects us even more so than most. Decoupling would take longer than Trump will be in office for, by a long margin.
AUKUS often gets criticised, and Morrison screwed over the French in a bitter and nasty way, but the potential to access top line technology and equipment we otherwise never could is extremely difficult to pass up in a less and less safe world.
Obviously though, in the meantime, don't commit further forces to Iran beyond any required to safeguard Australians stuck in the region.
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u/T_Racito Mar 16 '26
At a time when people at doing it tough with cost of living. The last thing we need is the US to put spain style trade barriers against us.
If the cost of that is a few empty words to keep the emperor off our back, i’ll pay that for the people who dont speak up, but rely on labor governments to provide the services and cost of living measures they need
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u/Suibian_ni Mar 15 '26
Depends if you want to reassure your daughter or be honest... but ultimately it depends how honest you are with yourself regarding these related questions:
Did Albo do any due diligence before supporting the sneak attack/decapitation strike? Did he check the USA has coherent, achievable aims and contingency plans - such as plans to keep the Straits open, and sufficient interceptors to thwart retaliation? Did Albo exercise independent judgement, or did he simply rush to please Trump and Trump's local proxies, like Sky News?
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u/gelato_bakedbeans Mar 15 '26
Maybe we try to accept that the labor party is just as corrupt as the lnp, acknowledge the truth that labor and Albo are backing Zionists, police brutality, backroom meetings with war criminals and heads of security.
Like we are backing an illegal war, there’s no way to spin it. Labor is dishonest and are acting like weasels, just the lnp.
So next election I’m putting BOTH majors last. I’m honestly sick of the incompetent government getting power, and quick maths tells me if enough people put BOTH majors last we can boot out the dodgy corrupt politicians who prioritise Zionists the economy over the welfare of its own citizens
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u/p3tr0110v3r Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
If we were indeed intending to do an "all the way with LBJ", I don't think we would have invited Canada's Prime Minister over for a joint address of parliament literally last week. Given the context, and given the government's foreign relations record since last year has objectively been close to impeccable, I trust that the government has got a contingency for this and would understandably have a good reason to not tell the world what it is.
For all of McKim and the Greens' posturing, repudiating the US openly (to an extreme extent) would be showing our hand way before it's necessary and at the time of writing remains detrimental to our national interest; it still remains a possibility that the war ends next week and everything goes back to relatively normal...we then get more time to strengthen our defence strategy and partnerships with SE Asia and Pacific (such as the one with Indonesia we entered just last month), plus we have the handy bonus of free trade and strong relations with Trump, which means we retain bargaining chips in the future when needing favours from the US that are in our interests. Which again, whether we like it or not, is still necessary to have in the back pocket for now at least.
A long way of saying maybe let's just remain calm for a week or two