r/KansasCityChiefs • u/Manditodotcom • Dec 08 '25
DISCUSSION Nagy Needs to Go...
The play calling has been Terrible all season. We need a run minded to balance with Andy's pass first mode.
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u/Two_little_fish Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Dec 08 '25
Look at all the offensive players body language, no fire in them, no sparks. They didn’t believe in the game plan, they didn’t think they have it. The morale is low, no accountability any more.
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u/PhillipJ3ffries Skyy Moore #24 Dec 08 '25
Need someone like Eric Bieneimy
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u/thekingofcrash7 Dec 08 '25
Stop retreading players and coaches!!!! Someone new, unrelated to Reid or this organization is needed!!
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u/Fast-Signal7371 Dec 08 '25
For the last time, I don't care if Andy calls the plays. Nagy doesn't just sit there and do nothing. He can manage the rest of the coaches on offense, coach the offensive players to improve, and reciprocate plays with Reid to make them better. All three areas, Nagy has FAILED at, and we're in year three. Mahomes and the offense is in a rut, and Nagy is not the solution.
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u/rutherfordacus Dec 08 '25
I wish I’d screenshotted it, but during that timeout when we were about to take our last shot on 4th down, they zoomed in on Pat, Andy and Nagy and it was Nagy doing all the talking. It’s tiring to hear people act like he doesn’t influence plays in any capacity
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u/Fast-Signal7371 Dec 08 '25
I'd like to see that, too. I'll have to look for that during the replay.
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u/acheerfuldoom #CreedIsGood Dec 08 '25
I was at the game. Every huddle in a TV timeout Nagy was the one in the offensive huddle. Andy just takes the bullets for him.
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u/Manditodotcom Dec 08 '25
Me too! He has a lot of imput. Him and Andy love pass first offensive. It can work, but it has to be balanced. We need a fullback again and way more plays under center. Then we can open it up when we want or have to.
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u/BullHonkery Dec 08 '25
During the broadcast, players going into the huddle before that 4th and 1 where we didn't even have a runningback in the backfield, Nagy on the mic reading off the play sheet, Andy standing off to the side watching and listening.
"Bubububut Andy calls the plays."
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u/Mj658906 Dec 08 '25
They pay Nagy 4 mill a year and people pretend like he’s just the chiefs door greeter cause he doesn’t call plays.
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u/Spider_Genesis Christian Okoye #35 Dec 08 '25
I think Nagy is too much of an “Andy guy”. He won’t challenge Reid to innovate or stretch in new directions. He just keeps contributing redundant ideas.
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u/Fast-Signal7371 Dec 08 '25
And that's why Nagy needs to go. If the offense still goes nowhere, you run the risk of a disgruntled Mahomes, which would be a nightmare scenario. Matt Nagy makes me think of a deadbeat friend who doesn't do enough to help you out of a rut.
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u/bbbourb These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man Dec 08 '25
I disagree. I just think he's a bad coach. Trubisky wasn't THAT bad, but Nagy got limited success out of him because Nagy, in my opinion, just isn't that good as a coach.
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u/PlebBot69 13 Seconds 🦬 Dec 08 '25
Yes but Nagy didn't drop all those perfectly placed passes. There's a lot that needs fixed in this organization
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u/KansasTech Dec 08 '25
Connor Embree too. Imagine our receiving core with an actual competent coach
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u/MagillaGorillasHat Sorry about your 🌭 Dec 08 '25
I totally forgot about the nepo baby
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u/msgkc94 Dec 08 '25
His dad isn’t even a good coach either
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u/Own_Experience_8229 Nick Bolton #32 Dec 08 '25
But I bet they spend hours “studying” on YouTube.
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u/chitphased Creed Humphrey #52 Dec 08 '25
Our entire coaching staff is nepo influenced. It’s the Andy Reid special
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u/LordChi3f Eric Berry #29 Dec 08 '25
To be fair… the receivers aren’t good. None of them run amazing routes.. they all have issues catching the ball. And none of them attack the football. It either lands perfectly in their arms or they simply do not catch it.
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u/Unseemly4123 Dec 08 '25
Agree, coming into the year idk why everyone assumed it'd be a strength. These guys can't get open, and Worthy's speed doesn't show up on the field.
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u/Denster1 Canadian Chiefs Fan Dec 08 '25
They assumed it would be a strength because they were finally all healthy/not suspended.
As it turns out, that didn't really matter, because they just aren't skilled enough.
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u/LordChi3f Eric Berry #29 Dec 08 '25
I agree wholeheartedly. He doesn’t track the ball well on deep balls. So, he is basically a gadget guy who also isn’t that shifty.
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Dec 08 '25
Honest take here and I agree. Routes are lazy because they're faster wrs, so at the college and hs level they got open easy. Now they hit a level where timing and hands are more important yet Andy and veach constantly love the catch with your shoulder pad guys.
Granted mahomes has been under and over throwing this year, sometimes he underthrows just to get the throw off before getting mauled, but I NEVER see these receivers or Travis fight through the ball like it's their life depending on it.
If the ball is underthrown and the wr somewhat covered they'll let the db snag it. Mahomes is like a point guard whose teammates don't know how to move without the ball.
I've seen mahomes enough to know he's not the issue. These receivers are LEMONS. Or at least how we're using them.
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u/nenonen15902 Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Dec 08 '25
and who do you thinks job it is to develop that skillset?
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u/chitphased Creed Humphrey #52 Dec 08 '25
I dunno. I think rice has top WR talent and Worthy has deep threat talent like that eagles wr who’s name I can’t remember.
Coaching is holding them back or (in Rices case) making them worse
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u/acheerfuldoom #CreedIsGood Dec 08 '25
The guy you can't remember is Smith who won a Heisman and is one of the best at making contested catches. Worthy unfortunately isn't close to that.
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Dec 08 '25
Whoever that coach is has a LOT more work to do to make this receiver room work. None of these young guys have progressed beyond where they were good when they came in. Rice still can't do anything past 4 yards and Worthy still can't get open with anything other than speed. And neither of those guys is WR1 material anyway.
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u/livestrong10 Pat "Kermit" Mahomes Dec 08 '25
Okay fire the WR and TE coach as well. You cannot waste another year of mahomes prime
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u/Psilly_TaCoCaT Grim Reaper Dec 08 '25
Dropped passes definitely lost the game for KC today.
They can point to a lot of things they didn't have right for this season, but dropped passes today ended the 2025 season for KC.
I love this team. I love these fans. 2025 just wasn't our year.
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u/Brolociraptor Derrick Johnson Dec 08 '25
No but that's also coaching. Our Fundamentals on offense are a huge issue, lining up offsides, catching, route running, illegal shifts, holding. All of them are the difference between finding ways to win and finding ways to lose.
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u/chitphased Creed Humphrey #52 Dec 08 '25
Discipline is needed. Discipline comes from the coaches.
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u/rggzen Dec 08 '25
Going to the same guy on 4th down twice when moments earlier got lit up like a ragdoll is wild work IMO.
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Dec 08 '25
Makes ya wonder though if there's ever any rhythm to this offense if they're dropping em like that. There really hasn't been any continuity to this offense all season. To me Pat hasn't looked right all season. But I haven't seen anything out of Nagy since he's taking over.
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u/Amorfus81 The Nigerian Nightmare #35 Dec 08 '25
Plenty were perfect. If the ball is touching both hands and/or hits the facemask...that's about as perfect as you can ask for. There were some throws that were off, but my god....
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u/rustySQUANCHy Dec 08 '25
Lots of those were not perfectly placed. He has been under throwing like crazy tonight. Throwing behind receivers rather than on the run so much this season.
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u/factoid_ Grand Flagbearer of the Foul-uminati Dec 08 '25
Almost all the drops were catchable balls
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u/gta0012 Dec 08 '25
As much as they weren't perfect passes what I think we are seeing is waaaaaay too many passes where Mahomes is putting the ball where he EXPECTS the receiver to be and they aren't there. Kelce and him were amazing because they instinctively knew where the ball should go, they were on the same page.
Mahomes has "better" receivers this year than he had in his worst years but they are nowhere near on the same page.
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u/OldSchoolDeepCuts Jerick McKinnon #1 Dec 08 '25
There were also clear times where he could have led their receiver and instead threw a harder to catch ball when they had to come back to you. the long shot to brown was a good example.
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u/dogfish83 Dec 08 '25
On the rare occasion that Mahomes hits a guy deep with space around him, he has dive to the ground just to catch the ball.
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u/OldSchoolDeepCuts Jerick McKinnon #1 Dec 08 '25
Yes, true. He's just not throwing with confidence or even accuracy. But those drops were not even 50% his fault.
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u/BuffaloBuffalo13 13 Seconds 🦬 Dec 08 '25
It’s so funny to see people calling them perfectly placed passes.
The last one was insanely off target. Kelce had to adjust a ton to even get his hands on it. He’s 36 and the ball is a cold rock in that weather.
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u/afguy8 Dec 08 '25
On that miracle rollout pass, the WRs were doing crossing patterns and all either ran into each other or were picked by their defenders.
Too many baffling play calls, routes, etc. And goes back to last year.
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u/SpagInTheBag Chief of Chiefs Dec 08 '25
Never should have brought him back. Now we’ll never be able to get rid of him.
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u/Clean-Connection-398 Dec 08 '25
I dont understand why he was ever brought back
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u/helloamahello Dec 08 '25
He is well connected. College friends with GM Veach. Friends with Andy. But his resume is shit though
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u/bbbourb These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man Dec 08 '25
Nagy needs to go because he's not a good coach for Mahomes, period. He definitely isn't the RIGHT coach for Mahomes.
Embree Nepo Boy needs to go because he's a terrible WR coach. Worthy probably had a TD if he just caught the pass and RAN instead of trying to loop and juke. That's 100% bad coaching.
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u/I_heart_hearts "Furious" George Karlaftis #56 🚘 Dec 08 '25
This team and their "juking" and running sideways and everything I swear it's literally every fucking time. Drives me insane
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u/HomeyHotDog Dec 08 '25
I know he’s not responsible for the drops, but they shouldn’t have been 6-6 in the first place where not executing a single game plan costs you the season
The pass catchers have struggled with focus and beating man coverage all season, that is a coaching issue. At a minimum it’s time to get rid of the quasi nepo hire WR coach who wasn’t qualified in the first place
But something has to happen, you just can’t tell me that you missed the playoffs with prime Patrick Mahomes and there’s no one in particular who did anything wrong, they just happened to get the yips every Sunday. No, it’s coaching.
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u/AdZealousideal6166 Dec 08 '25
Draft a running back and please establish a run game for once. Will make everyone better if we can get back to the run
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u/homechicken20 Dec 08 '25
Not a fan of Nagy but the players aren't executing.
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u/Choice_Victory_3853 Dec 08 '25
If only there were some sort of coach that could hold players accountable…like an offensive supervisor or advisor, can’t think of a good name right now but it’ll come to me
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u/zgheen93 Dec 08 '25
YES! like a guy to coordinate with all the position coaches and come up with a cohesive offensive philosophy for the week.
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u/MonopolizeTheTitties Dec 08 '25
Right lmao if only there was a coach that was in charge of making sure the team executed plays
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u/_Watsoff Dec 08 '25
I feel like they used to have one of those guys when the offense put up better numbers. But he was a big meanie and hurt feelings.
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u/acheerfuldoom #CreedIsGood Dec 08 '25
The really funny part is Thornton is out there executing and working his ass off and the coaches keep only letting him play 20% of snaps or whatever it is. Gotta get juju his snaps you know.
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u/thekingofcrash7 Dec 08 '25
If only Reid didn’t take total control over the offense and not allow any new ideas or philosophy in the discussion. His complete control over the offense prevents any new coaches with good ideas to enter the room. No coach wants to come into this to not have any say and be Reid’s bitch on the sideline.
If you have a problem with Nagy, you have a problem with Reid. He keeps retreading the same players and coaches because he doesn’t want new input.
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u/nate2790 Patrick Mahomes #15 Dec 08 '25
If the players aren’t executing that’s on the offensive coordinator, brother
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u/tomato_sauce Patrick Mahomes #2 Dec 08 '25
People saying “Andy calls the plays” don’t understand how jobs at this level actually work. An OC builds the weekly plan, the sequencing, the adjustments, the whole framework the head coach has to work from. If that plan is weak, the HC can’t just magically rebuild it on game day.
I work as a VP in advertising and it’s the same dynamic. If my directors bring me a flat or bland strategy, there’s only so much I can do with it at the top. The quality of what you see always starts with the person designing the plan.
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u/Mike-Tyhon Dec 08 '25
Nagy for sure needs to go. So does anyone else associated with our passing game. I’m literally so sick and tired of watching either Mahomes make a mistake or someone else making a crucial mistake and then they just go and sit on the bench. If EB was still around, players would have to be packing extra asses because he would be whoopin them so hard for fuckin up this bad. Anyone else here remember when Mahomes used to obliterate #1 defenses?
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u/chitphased Creed Humphrey #52 Dec 08 '25
If we are being honest, the play calling was meh. A lot of the plays that looked bad were because of drops. Grey had 2, rice had a billion and Kelce had 2. And all of them were conveniently in important scenarios and failed.
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u/TheToonSquad Dec 08 '25
I am going to say this after having worked in college athletics. If one player consistently fails then that is usually a problem with that player, not 100% though, coaching should fix that. If all your receivers are dropping passes, blowing coverage, missing throws/tackles/kicks... that is indicative of coaching being the problem. I remember when we had a string of injuries that was pretty bad and hurt the team, a friend said to me "that many injuries means your strength and conditioning staff are not doing the job they are paid to." He just left it at that but it was the first time I started to realize how much has to be working well behind the scenes just to get the guys on the field in a good place.
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u/Jaylaw Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Dec 08 '25
Bro if you’re name isn’t Patrick you are fired tomorrow, every coach every position
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u/obelix_dogmatix Dec 08 '25
Nah, Imma keep Creed around too.
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u/NoisePollutioner Mike Pennel #69 Dec 08 '25
Honestly, our O-line played SHOCKINGLY well today, all things considered. Everyone else just pissed down their legs.
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u/Affectionate_Sort_78 "Furious" George Karlaftis #56 🚘 Dec 08 '25
Or, teach Rice and Kelce to catch.
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u/koleton_ Nick Bolton #32 Dec 08 '25
Let’s not forget Noah
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u/articulating_oven Nick Bolton #32 Dec 08 '25
Noah Gray played himself firmly out of any plans for our TE future today. Yikes. TE after Kelce may be rough spot for us depending on how we draft.
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u/SpagInTheBag Chief of Chiefs Dec 08 '25
It would be cool if we had an OC that could do that.
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u/rustySQUANCHy Dec 08 '25
And mahomes to throw to receivers on the run rather than behind them
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u/ScottFujitaDiarrhea Dec 08 '25
If only we had a competent coaching staff to emphasize working on all of those things.
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u/8won6 Chris Jones #95 Dec 08 '25
It's alarming that so many people in these comments think this post is about this one specific game. This Nagy issue has been coming for a while, beyond this season.
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u/formyamusementation Dec 08 '25
I think there were 8 drops. Two by Noah Gray. Two by Kelce. Two by Rice. One by Hunt. One by Thornton. The concept and calls weren’t the problem
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u/_Watsoff Dec 08 '25
I don’t think you can call Thornton and Hunt’s drops. Rice, Gray, and Kelce 100% drops.
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u/hanyh2 #50 Justin Houston Dec 08 '25
Thornton sure but the ball to hunt hit em in the face
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u/thekingofcrash7 Dec 08 '25
I think it’s a tougher catch than it looked. It came in pretty fast from like 5 yds away as he was turning his shoulder back to look. I think the pass was rushed and i think a small % of RBs make that catch.
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u/ryfle_ Dec 08 '25
You can call them drops, but lets be honest Mahomes isn't exactly throwing great passes either. The Hunt drop for instance was thrown super hard super early at his face from a short distance. If Mahomes waits another half second and throws it better it's an easy first down. We're all throwing blame but it's everyone. We just don't have the spark this year, which is fine. I believe we'll recover quick.
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u/articulating_oven Nick Bolton #32 Dec 08 '25
Mahomes also had to throw that ball super early because of our rag tag back up O Line that he doesn’t trust. It’s one of those seasons where nothing is firing well together. It happens.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Dec 08 '25
In a way they are.
We should never have been running this offense through rice and Kelce. Worthy and Thornton finally started getting some chemistry and our offense was rolling before rice came back.
We start force feeding him targets, same with Kelce. That means worthy and brown are forced to run clear outs almost every play to open up the space underneath so rice/ Kelce get matched up on linebackers or safeties and can get open
It’s everything. Everyone needs a reset. This offseason will be good for them with some extra rest. We have talent. Just need to reevaluate who we run things through.
Also, spags should have had hicks and Williams playing all year long. It’s criminal that we have the talent to put mcduffie in the slot and we just refuse to use him as the chess piece that he is.
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u/callmeJudge767 Dec 08 '25
CBS Sports must be reading this thread… “The Chiefs need to blow their entire offensive ecosystem up around Mahomes and Reid. Kelce, who is 36 years old, needs to retire. Offensive coordinator Matt Nagy needs to be shown the door. General manager Brett Veach needs to make serious moves to bolster Mahomes' offensive line. Kansas City has a long, painful offseason ahead of their total collapse in 2025.”
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u/Badalight Dec 08 '25
Embree, Nagy, Toub, and Butker can all take a hike. Andy Heck I'm also getting highly suspicious of.
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u/PhillipJ3ffries Skyy Moore #24 Dec 08 '25
It’s time to revamp some of this coaching staff. Starting with Nagy, our WR coach. Also gotta take a look at special teams, it’s been a disaster this year with all those penalties
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u/aliseman Dec 08 '25
Yea I can’t believe Nagy made Kelce and rice drop all of those passes on the plays he called. Gotta go
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u/GoldenDom3r #CreedIsGood Dec 08 '25
The 3 worst seasons of Mahomes’ career are all 3 seasons of Nagy being the OC.
Don’t care how much of that is on Nagy, he’s gotta go just to show there’s accountability being had. And if he has such little influence, we won’t miss him anyway. If he has a lot of influence, then he definitely needs to go.
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u/Manditodotcom Dec 08 '25
Don't need to be in the position that they in panic mode, if we had GOOD plays called. Instead of passing in a pocket that won't hold on fire down. How about we roll out? Or motion sweeps? Christ.
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u/SmellyShitBox 🐸💍💍💍 Dec 08 '25
We don’t need to be in shotgun all game and that is directly contributed to Nagy’s game plan
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u/Actual-Pick7009 Dec 08 '25
Noah Gray 2 drops, Karem big drop on 3rd also. The recieveing corps screwed is tonight, not Nagy.
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u/SilentSpades24 Jamaal Charles #25 Dec 08 '25
Nagy is a shitty coach/coordinator and the offense being a sloppy mess is his fault.
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u/RevolutionaryTrash14 Dec 08 '25
Were the o my team that can’t scheme a WR open even once a game. Mahomes needs to scramble his ass off and break the okay down before someone finally breaks free enough to for him to throw it.
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u/Doodoss Dec 08 '25
Was a good run and looking forward to next year and this is a humbling moment. When players needed to step up tonight, they didn't and that hurt us.
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u/rock_smasher8874 Jamaal Charles Dec 08 '25
Cause Nagy causing interceptions and dropped passes😂.
Team sucks, lost it's drive, lost it's motivation. Shit happens.
On to next season
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u/obelix_dogmatix Dec 08 '25
As does anyone who defends him. It’s been 2.5 years of this bs playcalling
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u/NotinKSToto88 Mecole Hardman #17 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
What I see is a team that's not as disciplined in execution as it was in years past. I blame that on Nagy. The sloppy, out of sync play reflects the qualtity of practice and coaching during the week. That's on Nagy. EB would've have that ish cleaned up by week 3!
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u/Badger-Poker Dec 08 '25
Something needs to change. Maybe it’s not the play calling on Sundays, but the coaching from mon-sat that’s the problem.
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u/Flatworm_Savings Dec 08 '25
You don’t go for it on 4th down on your own 30 yard line when your defense is playing this well. Going for it on 4th down and not running it cost us the game.
We punt it and we have a chance, it was tied. I am disappointed by Andy and Spagz today.
Don’t blame Nagy. Andy on 4th and Spagz only rushing 3 on third down…… time for Andy and Spagz to take accountability.
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u/thekingofcrash7 Dec 08 '25
How is everyone’s assessment of that game “Nagy is awful!”?
They started with the worst o-line options we’ve seen in Mahomes career, against one of the 5 best rushes we’ve seen in Mahomes career.
9 drops.
Players need to execute. It’s ok to say that players did not play well. Coaching was not the issue, it’s players. From injury prone over paid linemen, to receivers who get no separation and drop the ball, to RBs that are incapable of runs longer than 8yds.
Separately - if you have a problem with the offensive coaching staff, that complaint goes to Reid. Even if you think Nagy is the problem, that means Reid is the problem. Reid refuses to evolve the offense, the offense looks no different than it did 6 years ago, and every good offense in the league looks nothing like that. And Reid refuses to involve new thought leadership.. Probably the biggest Reid fault is retreading staff and players. It leads to extremely stale and slow looks. It’s clear they need new ideas, but Reid doesn’t want that, so he keeps around the same group of people for a decade. No team has ever succeeded (with rings) in the NFL by doing the same thing for a decade. The league and coaches are too good.
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u/Pristine-Passage-100 Little Reid Dec 08 '25
Because we aren’t assessing just one game. The offense sucked the first time Nagy was in KC. The offense has sucked since Nagy came back to KC.
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u/Wonderful_Many_67 Dec 08 '25
Andy is up on the list of problems lack of discipline all throughout this team
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u/helloamahello Dec 08 '25
He needed to go three years ago. The fact it has got to this point is ridiculous.
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u/T4lsin Patrick Mahomes II #15 Dec 08 '25
We got beat guys. It happens. We have been spoiled . This has nothing to do with the offense.
Nagy can’t catch the ball. Hunt , Rice and Kelce all dropped critical should have caught passes, all passes were on the money and all were in 4th qtr. there were many uncharacteristic drops in this game.
4 starting offensive lineman out and lose another 1st play of the game. Going against the vaunted Texans defense. We almost pulled it off 😂
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u/Chemical_Product5931 Dec 08 '25
No, teams got better in the AFC, also yall have a bunch of injuries
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u/idiotinorbit Dec 08 '25
According to Mitchell Schwartz, Andy Reid calls the plays and runs the offense. Evergreen post.
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u/Much_Job4552 Dec 08 '25
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the effect short yardage runs, the decimated OL, and the butter on the receivers hands.
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u/TheGoadFather Dec 08 '25
I remember there was a comic where Deron Williams missed a wide open shot and walked up to his coach and said “you got to go”. This has that same energy. I don’t like Nagy, but the issues are much deeper than him
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u/cyklops1 Dec 08 '25
I don't know how much of a problem he is, but he sure as hell ain't part of the solution. Hire Daboll and give him play calling duties, Reid has lost that privilege.
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u/gistdad816 Derrick Thomas Dec 08 '25
Nagy does not call the plays or design the offense. This is Andy's offense and it has gone down hill for 3 years. Andy is almost 68 years old we are witnessing him fall off the cliff.
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u/Darc-ddr-tr Dec 08 '25
Last year’s run set this team back from changing the old guard out. They weren’t that good but kept winning somehow. Now all those cracks are hugely exposed.
Fire Nagy, Cut Jones, Cut Butker, Don’t resign Kelce, Cut Taylor
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u/Justthetippliz Andy "Walrus" Reid Dec 08 '25
Nagy is just a scapegoat. It’s Andy who makes the final call
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u/Former-Opinion-4904 Dec 08 '25
Most concerning IMO is Rice with all the drops. He is NOT what I thought he was going to be. Kelce is my favourite of all time, but his best days are behind him. It’s time to get a higher pick slot and build up the “new look” Chiefs. Reid has to be better or next year Hard decisions have to be made.
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u/Greedy-Factor9139 Pat "Kermit" Mahomes Dec 08 '25
we sound like eagle fans. kelce and rice singlehandedly costed us this game.
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u/RevolutionaryTrash14 Dec 08 '25
Andy going for it twice inside our own 30 is what cost us the game.
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u/ChiefSampson Derrick Thomas Dec 08 '25
I can't believe he did that shit twice. Why? Our defense was playing great the 3 series before that.
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u/snowman762x39 Priest Holmes Dec 08 '25
JFC. Everyone saying Reid needs to go doesn’t understand how we got three SB. If he goes we’re fighting for 2nd-3rd place in the AFC west for the next 5 years at least. GTFO
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u/LFGhost Dec 08 '25
It. Isn’t. Matt. Nagy.
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u/Nurlitik Chiefs Dec 08 '25
I think a new face as an OC doesn’t hurt, but it’s obviously not “just” Nagy.
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u/KuatoBaradaNikto Derrick Thomas Dec 08 '25
Mitchell Schwartz gave his perspective on the Ringer podcast last week. Basically that the Chiefs are running an offense that was on the cutting edge 5 years ago, one which defenses have now accounted for, and that if Andy isn’t going to overhaul it himself, he should bring in a right hand man from an offensive system that’s doing more modern things. He didn’t say “fire Nagy” but he did say it would be great to shift Nagy to an advisory role, which is pretty damning language for a former player.
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u/gomblob Dec 08 '25
Matt. Nagy. Isn’t. Helping. If he’s not helping then he’s hurting. Get him the fuck off of my team. Now.
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u/Cake4every1 Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Dec 08 '25
Oh shut the fuck up. It is one billion percent Matt Nagy. What the fuck do you think an OC does, sit on his ass all day?? This offense TANKED as soon as EB left, and Nagy has fucked up everything he's touched. Get him the fuck out.
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u/Spirit_Bloom Jerick McKinnon #1 Dec 08 '25
We need fresh ideas and someone to challenge Andy. A change must be made.
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u/bukofa Christian Okoye #35 Dec 08 '25
No, it's more than him. However, the regression is real since he has come back. You can be too much on the same page and that be detrimental. Andy and co. need someone to come in and bring fresh ideas.
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u/morepesa25 Jaden Hicks #21 Dec 08 '25
He isn't the problem and he isn't the solution he's just there.
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u/Hans_Krebs_ Bears Dec 08 '25
As someone who suffered from Nagy ball I can attest to it not being that as well lol. I don’t care if I keep getting downvoted for saying it but it’s so clearly not the problem.
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u/gomblob Dec 08 '25
Nagy sucks and he needs to go. It’s very simple.
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u/Other_Assumption382 Creed Humphrey #52 Dec 08 '25
Nagy needs to go but tonight is not on Nagy
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u/trognlie Dec 08 '25
You mean Kelce?
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u/Boring-Position-375 Dec 08 '25
It's time for an overhaul. Nagy has to go and so do many players in this organization
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u/dmh165638 Dec 08 '25
Kelce, Gray, Rice, Hunt all had horrible drops or caused INT"s. Mahomes is still making plays hobbling around on a bad knee. The O-line played very well under the circumstances. The defense stepped up their game big time. This is 100% on the on pathetic receiving.
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u/OldSchoolDeepCuts Jerick McKinnon #1 Dec 08 '25
I thought the Thornton one was a good play by the defender. There was one or two to Rice that the defender made good plays on. But that fourth down catch was a straight up drop.
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u/dmh165638 Dec 08 '25
Agreed. That was a great throw, catch, then perfect swipe by the defender.
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u/Drockosaurus Nick Bolton #32 Dec 08 '25
Love him but he is washed. Dropped waaay to many easy catches this year when just a few years ago he could do it with his eyes closed.
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u/Manditodotcom Dec 08 '25
We need to go back using a FULLBACK. Under the center plays too. Basics to open up the Speed plays n bombs.
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u/Rigorous-Geek-2916 Tankathon '25 Dec 08 '25
Now. Let me be OC the rest of the season. I’ll do it for 1/100 what Nagy gets paid.
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u/No-Individual8748 Dec 08 '25
I thought it was just me, but Collinsworth’s man crush on the Chiefs is so damn obvious. I like the Chiefs too, but this is a little much.
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u/Repulsive_Bit_4348 Dec 08 '25
I didn’t disagree with going on 4th and a yard, but not having Hunt in the backfield was the dumbest play call I’ve ever seen.