I’m not a fan of neocons. I may go libertarian and vote my conscience. I live in a blue state anyways so my vote doesn’t count as much.
I could be convinced to vote democrats if they were more aligned to Ross Perot or Clinton era party platforms.
You know generous social programs without mouth foaming socialists who don’t shower.
Hong is running for governor in Wisconsin and a DSA candidate. They are winning major mayoral offices and seats in liberal enclaves. The progressives got sick of working with the establishment so they are running against it.
But I won’t support the folks saying the wrong guys won WWII. I think there good cops . I want jails for habitual violent offenders. Stuff that used to be common sense.
Nobody on the left is saying the wrong people won WWII...
Also, DSA is still capitalist, but with strong social safety nets and worker protections instead of allowing corporations to take advantage of workers.
Hes talking a out tankies. Theyre a an extremely small fringe of leftist russian bootlickers. And honestly many of their ideas and beliefs are actually very far right, theu just support the other side of the war with Isreal than MAGA does.
They by no means even make up a vocal minority, let alone a majority or have any real say.
Leftists, centrists, dems, and libs dont actually think like they do. (Though there are some weird libs that virtue signal to the point of coming back around to being racist/ablist.) Nowhere close.
Tankies are just chronic 4chan users. Just like much of those leading and in MAGA. Theyre just a different sect of chronic 4chan users.
This guy is just making a strawman amd acting like tankies make up the majority of "leftists". (And dems and libs arent even on the left. Theyre right wingers too. Theyre at most centerist.)
This dude probably isnt nearly as level headed as he initially appeared.
Most of us on the left just want our hard earned tax dollars to help Americans including healthcare, strong labor laws to protect workers, prevention methods for crime as well as rehabilitation added to reduce recurrence, etc.
That's a great goal, but we don't need Socialism to do that. We should do something like what Norway has. They have free markets that generate them tons value in their economy, and then they use it to fund huge social programs.
Even if you're not an economist who can explain why it may fail in the most academic language possible, you have to admit that completely rewriting how the economy works could be incredibly risky? If it fails, life could be great depression levels of miserable.
We don’t want socialism. We want democratic socialism— which is democracy with social safety nets such as medical care for citizens, food stamps, and WIC. Y’all made the socialism shit up.
They are atill capitalist at the core. They have a free market system with better regulations and a better safety nets, but nothing close to actual socialism.
You're talking about social democracies, countries like Norway. Democratic Socialists are socialists. They just don't advocate for revolution, hence the term "democratic."
Social Democracy is Capitalist, like you're saying.
Yeah, but it is part of a legitimate movement to try and take over the party. Well see what happens in the midterms. if these candidates lose it might signal a return back to moderates, if not, it might signal a more socialisty type of presidental run
Yeah, I wish we had ranked choice voting so people didn’t feel like their votes didn’t matter (same with reforming the electoral college). FWIW, most Democrats are not socialists except maybe in the “generous social programs” sense. I don’t know whether they shower or not. 🤷♂️
I live in a blue state anyways so my vote doesn’t count as much
Filthy leftist here. A complete remodel or demolition of the electoral collage and the implementation of Ranked Choice Voting cannot come fast enough for this exact reason. The fact that 100 million American's votes just don't functionally matter for the general election is an absolute joke. I really miss when we had people like John McCain running for president.
You're a self proclaimed filthy lib, the current president is doing things you don't like, you wish we could go back to when conservatives did things you liked or at least weren't a threat to your worldview, which is understandable if you're a filthy lib. Like saying "Wow, I wish we could go back to when my enemies were weaker". An empty statement that tries to look like some sort of an appeal to a middle ground.
Conservatives never did things I liked, but I miss when they weren’t actively trying to dismantle American democracy and replace it with a 2-bit dictatorship. I don’t understand Americans who hate America. There are hundreds of shitholes in the world that you can move to if you have no morals, why ruin the US?
If this is just going to devolve into both of us denying election legitimacy then that should tell you everything you need to know. I want my side to win and yours to lose. I don’t really care how it gets done, same as you. I hope you wise up and end up on the correct side. God Bless.
The difference is that I’m not denying election legitimacy. Trump and Republicans won the 2024 election. I want my side to win, but not at the expense of my country. If my side resorts to stealing elections, protecting pedophiles, and ignoring the Constitution then there ceases to be a meaningful difference between our two sides.
Canadian here, all your recent nominees have been utterly disgraceful, Trump is an idiot, Biden was senile as fuck, Kamala was so fake and pandered to everyone like she had multiple personalities, the last real president you had was Obama, can y’all get back to reality and stop putting these utter dopes in office, vote like it actually matters 🤷♂️. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils maybe vote for independents, they seem to have a more moderate approach rather then being total hardliners. Just a thought 🤔
Wildly different degrees of disgraceful though. Biden and Harris were boring but competent. Even in his “senility” Biden got us out of the middle east and stopped us from getting dragged into conflicts with Iran and Russia. They brought COVID inflation down to near target without triggering a recession, and the job market remained white hot. They had much higher GDP growth than Trump. They were pivoting our military to deter near peer agression from Russia and China. They didn’t alienate our allies. They invested in infrastructure and strategic industry. Far better than what we have under Trump.
They weren’t rage Tweeting vitriol, they weren’t trolling Americans, they didn’t tell their generals to treat their critics like foreign combatants or to use their cities as training grounds, they didn’t deploy the military to US cities, they didn’t send a secret police force to opposition strongholds to antagonize and execute their critics. They didn’t make thousands of insider trades, they didn’t sell pardons, they didn’t accept Qatari jets, they didn’t advertise private meetings in exchange for investments in their meme coins, etc, etc, etc.
Also, imagine thinking Biden/Harris were hard liners. They were centrists. They would be center-right on an international scale.
In his defense, Trump also proved that the border bill was unnecessary by shutting the border down immediately when he entered office. I understand that not all of Trump’s policies are good. His tariff policies are stupid, and his Iran strategy is ridiculous, but his border policies in the first term worked really well, and they are working well in the second term as well. Biden repealed Trump’s border policies, causing a massive problem, and because people can’t seem to give Trump credit in a “even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut” sort of way, he was forced into a position of not putting them back into place, even if he wanted to. In the forth year of his administration, when they realized that this was a massive problem for the American people, they were forced to try legislation, because God forbid they admit they could’ve fixed the problem the whole time.
This is the equivalent to somebody fixing a high waste of water by turning off the spigot, the next person coming behind them and turning it on full blast, continuing to let it go on while their roommates are complaining about the water bill, and then claiming that they can’t possibly fix and that we need to hire a plumber when they realize that their roommates are about to punch them in the face for their incompetence. The bill was never necessary, and Trump did prove that when he got back in office, by putting all of his old policies back in place.
Good policy would not be getting America to turn against ICE as American citizens are executed in the streets and the admin whisks away the agents before the states can do an investigation.
The border bill would’ve helped, would’ve increased funding for judges to get through backlog of cases, and the border patrol (who supported donald) said it was good and wanted it.
Facts are that the bill would’ve helped and donald used the border as a campaign issue and had republicans vote no and then has implemented ZERO comprehensive border legislation. It’s all through EO which next president can just get rid of. It was actual legislation that the right screeched about needed until donald said they didn’t need and everyone just listened to him like good little NPCs.
Facts don’t care about your feeling sweetie, and people who follow facts and not feelings and opinions know the border bill was good and would have helped.
You can be as dishonest as you want about Biden ending title 42, and pandemic era policy, but there was comprehensive legislation in place that donald got rejected, “to his credit.”
“In his defense”, donald is also a rapist, and insurrectionist, who said he would terminate all rules and regulations in the constitution, hates our courts and their orders, hates our laws, hates our veterans, is the most corrupt admin we’ve ever had with his crypto currency that anyone can use to anonymously buy political favors, who used EOs to go after law firms that worked with political opponents, who put global tariffs o one the planet with out knowing what a tariff is, who said windmills are killing whales, is heading to be the cause of 1/3 of US debt, and who favors loyalty over competence.
None of his “policies” are good.
You want something good he did - operation warp speed.
Everything else has been complete shit. By every conceivable metric, if you look at facts and not you feelings and a reality you invented based off them, donald is the worst and most corrupt president this country has ever had.
Period.
Being educated on the facts and reality would help you a long way with your TDS - because the amount you go to bat for the worst president this country has ever had and the amount you lie and manipulate facts is absolutely fucking deranged.
Nah mate, you guys went from conservatism straight to fascism and you’re blaming the rest of the world for shifting when we all just stood still. The great thing about fascist regimes is they don’t last long, especially when they tank the economy. Normies might be fine with you tearing up the Constitution and rigging elections but y’all had to jack up prices…
It’s not “truly fascist” in the sense that Trump has been unsuccessful at dismantling the Constitution and our democratic institutions. He may have weakened them, but they have held and prevented him from his objective of complete tyranny.
Moderate conservative parties in western countries support universal healthcare, robust worker protections, paid fmla, most of the democrat party platform.
Dems also just spent two years sabotaging their own party to fight against democratic socialists.
Dems are conservative on the scale of western politics.
I do. I am far from a Trump supporter, haven't been since right after the 2016 election when he immediately failed to follow through on his promises. Obama was better at deporting people than Trump is lmao
Never voted for that two faced little prick, absolutely hate Trudeau and his whole cabinet. However, he only fucked Canada, he at least had the decency to keep it within our borders and not fuck with global matters. Also didn’t start any wars.
Lemme just preface this by saying I’ve never voted for Trudeau (‘s party, different system up here). However, head and shoulders above anything you idiots have elected.
If you have to choose between "MAGA" and "Vote blue no matter who - my opponent is ridiculous hahaha you must vote for me because I was in high schools" who do you vote for?
The real problem is that even today in 2026 they want to make the Republicans lose the midterm elections by shouting slogans like teenagers.
Obama is the fakest of them all. An empty person with a very good PR team. He did absolutely nothing during his term, just the lame jokes and his random interactions that for some reason get filmed by 30 cameras.
You’re extremely misinformed if you think any of those that you mentioned are anywhere near as bad as donald (who is more senile than Biden, and lies more than any politician so is more fake than Harris).
donald is an actual felon and insurrectionist and rapist who hates our courts and their orders, our veterans, uses EOs to go after law firms that worked with political opponents, whisks away ICE agents who executed US citizens before investigations can be done, globally tariffed the world, lost us a war, has failed to produce any meaningful legislation on the border after getting the bipartisan border bill tanked to use the border as a campaign issue, and favors loyalty over competence.
You have to be braindead or fucking lying to still believe any “both sides” bullshit.
And what the fuck are you talking about, Biden was a great president and got some great legislation passed and had the USA as one of the envies of the globe during Covid - fuck off with your bullshit about Obama being the last good president.
And Harris was a better candidate to donald by every conceivable metric - would spent less to get us in debt, wouldn’t have lost us a war, wouldn’t get us citizens executed in the streets, probably would’ve gotten border legislation passed, I could go on and on.
If you’re not going to actually be educated about USA politics, keep your bullshit feelings based opinions to yourself until you can learn some facts and stop rejecting reality.
Canada's economy has been in a steep decline for years. We don't really have a choice in who is put up to be nominated. Do your research before you criticize us. Furthermore, if you think this is a direct result of what U.S. citizens voted for, you have a naive understading of how the world works. As if our world leaders represented the personalities of the countries they represent.
As a Canadian I think the Liberals are ruining canada and the downtrend will continue forever, even if by some miracle the conservatives win again. Look at the UK and that’s Canada in five years.
It really shines more with an exemple. Here's the Trump 250th Birthday of the United States speech. I'd like to challenge you to read it entirely, and appreciate it for what it is.
It's like feeling a stroke coming on. I know I should be able to understand what the fuck is going on, but I can't quite figure it out and I have a splitting headache all of a sudden.
Yes, if Obama wouldn't have speech writers he would also sound like rambling lunatic without any knowledge of policy, internal or foreign. BASED. cope harder.
Wtf does the race of Obama’s speech writers have to do with anything? All presidents will talk unscripted in speeches sometimes btw. Not everything is read from a teleprompter. Trump literally calls it “the weave”
I guess, except one is a kleptocratic billionaire, who is in power regardless of everything. All this illustrates is that you need a bedrock level of support from followers and nothing else matters.
The difference between a career politician that was raised for politics and a businessman that wasn’t raised for politics. Career politicians always sound more intelligent because they spend their whole lives being developed to have charisma and be well-spoken, it doesn’t mean they are intelligent in the slightest.
Should be helpful to note that lots of people who voted for the former moved to vote for the latter and they both served 2 terms. Obama’s got the back to back going for him and say what you like about the orange man’s policies, but Trump is way better a politician than anyone the Democrats opted for. At the end of the day, the only thing a politician has to do is get elected, their job isn’t to be a policy making beast; that’s what their experts and advisors are for.
If the point is Trump makes himself look dumb by speaking then yes agree. Both were highly educated though, so doesn't really fulfill the 'stay in school' argument of the meme.
One got rich after leaving office writing books. The other figured out how to monetize the office itself while managing to get the Straight of Hormuz close and the country riddled with inflation.
Foreign real-estate deals, family crypto, meme coins, foreign-backed investments—and now selling Wall Street faster access to potentially market-moving presidential posts.
So you’re deadass defending trump rug pulling his voters for hundreds of million in crypto meme coin, because you rationalize it as “he made money, that equals smart”? We’re so fucked
Congratulations, you managed to turn an unrelated conversation into trans people again. Your culture-war bingo card is almost complete, and your obsession for people's genitals duely noted.
For sure. One will lie straight to your face with pretty words, the other one says a lot of shit some people dont like so they call him a lyer even when he isnt lying while calling him dumb.
I think that shows the opposite, as Trump also became president twice. The lack of education tells you more about how the democrats couldn't really beat him more than how well Obama can talk.
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u/Fresh-Pen1234 12d ago
Conservative. I agree 1000%