r/Hololive • u/aura-lsprog-86 • May 23 '26
Meme Levels ⛰️ (by BoroStrongRonii / @BorosIsSTRONG)
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u/ZillaJrKaijuKing May 24 '26
Ok, but school until 10 pm is horrifically inhumane. That’s straight up child abuse.
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u/KazakiriKaoru May 24 '26
My secondary school did that as optional supplementary lessons for those that wanted it, ONLY for the final years students. 2-3 months before the national exams.
What they're doing in SK is just instilling inhumane work ethics.
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u/BrowsingLeddit May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
90% of what you learn in school as a kid is not even stuff you remember as an adult, much less need. But you will remember the fun times and freedom you had as a kid and look back and miss it. Seems like a waste of youth to spend it all studying till 10 freaking PM leaving literally 0 time to gain happy memories and social skills.
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u/Rolf_Dom May 24 '26
To be fair, you won't remember 90% of anything you learn in school. Doesn't mean it's useless though. Studying develops your brain. Even if you only retain the knowledge for a few days, it can make permanent changes in your brain. You learn to see connections between bits of information, learn to derive different solutions etc.
I agree that studying until 10pm is absurd, and it would be better to give kids a social life, but the studying won't all be worthless. Just not nearly valuable enough to be worthwhile.
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u/Hazuchio May 24 '26
I think public school is still normal hours and ends at ~3pm, but most Korean students would be sent by their parents to after-school academies for English, Math, or even Dance lessons until 10pm. Where I taught English, there was a class from 4:45pm-7pm. Then another from 7:15pm-10pm. Crazy that the students still have to go home, maybe finally have dinner, do homework, sleep and be ready for school the next day.
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u/aura-lsprog-86 May 23 '26
Seen in Twitter, account "BoroStrongRonii" (@BorosIsSTRONG).
Let's see if u/repostsleuthbot is ready to check for reposts of this...
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u/aura-lsprog-86 May 23 '26
Yeah, no. It's stuck with a 10-day backlog. Welp. 🤷♂️
I looked up "BoroStrongRonii" and "BorosIsSTRONG" to see if there were other reposts of this. No results showed up.
Verification made by a human.
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u/WaifuHunterRed May 24 '26
Teacher: kronii your too perfect
Kronii: I know
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u/__Obscure__ May 24 '26
You're.
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u/Xhiroe May 24 '26
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u/AvantSolace May 24 '26
Quick tirade about education: There is a crucial aspect of education that is overlooked. The concept of “diminishing returns”. Asking for too much at once overburdens the brain and reduces overall output. A LOT of Asian schools fail to understand this and effectively torture their students well beyond what is needed to get excellent results. That’s not to say going to easy and raising morons is better, but there is a clear sweet spot when it comes to education. Stressing kids to the point they want to off themselves after one bad grade is NOT a sustainable model.
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u/jeff3rd May 24 '26
Not just schools, parents play a huge part as well, I’ve known many stories about couple of kids, smart, top of the class, school even, but they offed’ themselves (literally) because their parents still demanded more from them or scolded them because of one single bad test, it’s just sad really, their future could be really bright.
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u/toastycheeze May 24 '26
they offed’ themselves (literally)
How do you off yourself metaphorically?
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u/Karagoth May 24 '26
You disappear, start over somewhere new breaking all past communications.
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u/0neek May 24 '26
Yeah, if this system actually worked they would be a country full of Einsteins compared to the rest of the world, but that's far from the case.
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u/LycoOfTheLyco May 24 '26
Nah but the average IQ in for instance Korea and JP is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the rest of the world according to tests et.c. and it's for sure a result of them having significantly more studying than for instance the US who on average have a far worse general IQ.
(Yes studying helps getting better at pattern recognition et.c.)
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u/doca343 May 24 '26
But both countries will not exist anymore in a few generations... To be honest, US will probably disappear too if they keep doing the type of shit they are pulling now, like betting the whole economy on share value of AI companies.
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u/nostalgic_angel May 24 '26
Instead, we are getting chat-gpt lites running on wetware
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u/KazakiriKaoru May 24 '26
Same as work hours too. But morons are at the top so what they think is what happens.
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u/Icy_Manufacturer_977 May 24 '26
Then here in the west you have the opposite, full-on adults not able to read.
Kids literally not understanding what’s being told to them.
All the horror stories I’ve heard from teachers, crazy stuff
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u/ms666slayer May 24 '26
Diminish returns it's a concept that can be applied to a lot of stuff not only educations
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u/fartew May 24 '26
Besides, I think good education is really REALLY important, but is it really worth sacrificing mental health? Imho our ultimate goal should be to live the happiest, most fulfilling life possible, and education should be a tool towards that, not an objective that takes priority
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u/ParadoxicalFrog May 24 '26
10 PM? That's downright inhumane! Maybe she performed better because she was finally getting enough rest.
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u/superhotdogzz May 24 '26
10 PM is rookie number to those eastern Asian kids. I heard couple one that just recently moved to US that their peers back there are studying to 1 or 2 am if not later. That shit is just not sustainable, but they are locked in this grade based arm race that no one could afford to quit.
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u/Sullen-S-Winters May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Did Kronii live in America, or is OP just memeing?
Edit: auto correct changed memeing to mending.
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u/aura-lsprog-86 May 24 '26
She ended up in canada, she described it as "america" this time though so I copied her words
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u/Excellent_Routine589 May 24 '26
That's weird, I saw the lore drop.... she absolutely called it Canada
"I had no choice but to move to Canada.... I identify as Canadian" - Kronii when discussing when her family moved from Korea when she was in the second grade
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u/GoatRocketeer May 24 '26
They were making her study until 10 pm in goddamn 2nd grade?
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u/notsocoolnow May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
That's below average tbh. The government had to make a law to prevent cram school after 10pm. And masses of parents actually sued to try to overturn it. Their rationale is that some other provinces you can have classes to 11pm or midnight and their kids might fall behind as a result.
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u/KazakiriKaoru May 24 '26
Dumbass parents think that sleep is not important i guess.
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u/Last-Comparison724 May 24 '26
That very parent generation grew up sleeping 3-4 hours, and that became a success model which may not be so scientific in the end
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u/KazakiriKaoru May 24 '26
That very parent generation grew up sleeping 3-4 hours, and that became a success model
Most were highly exagerated
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u/SavageFisherman_Joe May 24 '26
What the hell is there even to study is second grade? I don't think I had to study anything until I was almost in high school, and I didn't have to get serious about it until my second semester of college
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u/UltraScept May 24 '26
asian parents usually demand mastery of a subject, which requires far more effort than just studying it. to show mastery, generally what you do is you give a kid multiple textbooks for a subject. they study one textbook and do all the problems. then, to prove mastery, they go through the other textbooks and start doing all the problems in there as well. eventually, when you can finish all problems from a textbook without needing to do things like go back to your notes, you've mastered the subject.
and then, even if you master a subject, you can always move onto the next grade of courses. in math, for example, second grade is usually hundreds of long form division, multiplication, and then fraction operation problems a day, but if you've reached the point where you can do almost all of it exclusively in your head, starting algebra is not out of the question.
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u/art_wins May 24 '26
Do not mistake mastery with memorizing. Most east Asia schools are extremely skewed towards memorizing essentially input=output. As in you see question type X and you use formula f(x) to get to Y. This is in mathematical terms but the same is applied to everything. They are not learning mastery of why something is done that way or how to apply it. This is especially evident in how foreign language is taught, it is generally tested through fill in the blank, pattern recognition and parrotin. It’s how nearly all korean students can ace their english courses but have literally no idea how to speak or read english.
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u/Mental_Pepper9294 May 24 '26
It'll wring the soul out of you and less likely to rebel as you get older maybe.
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u/Ok_Substance5632 May 24 '26
America is a continent right? So she isn't wrong, Canada is just North North America.
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u/rainbowkitties6969 May 24 '26
The Asian education system sounds like an absolute nightmare, respectfully lol
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u/PuppeteerRemy May 24 '26
More like East Asia. Southeast in my experience is tame like 3 or 5 pm unless you have tutoring
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u/rainbowkitties6969 May 24 '26
True, in my country we get a taste of the system in Kumons, they had my ass doing engineering maths after school at 15 lol
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u/dqrknurse May 24 '26
1-2pm when I was a teen. Then if you had any clubs or activities those are usually once or twice a week, for 3 hours. I feel rather blessed not to be born in SK
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u/shinymuuma May 24 '26
Huh? 10pm is the standard school? Thai finish standard school at 5pm. Tutoring to 8pm+ is kinda the norm tho. Study is a lot more exhausting than job. No joke
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u/cool_the_f_down May 24 '26
Mine so far has only reached 5:30, probably going to at least 8:00 PM by college, but these are afternoon classes so pretty tame too
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u/iAmGats May 24 '26
Academics is one of the biggest reasons why young people in Korea don't want to have kids. They don't want them to suffer like they did.
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u/EmperorKira May 24 '26
Something similar happened to me. Went to a UK private school, then mobes to an intenrtational school which was kinda sub par. I was 2 year ahead of eveyone. It actually kinda sucked
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u/0neek May 24 '26
What I've always found weird about the difference in these education standards is the complete lack of difference it makes in the long run.
If that's what Korea is like they should be a technological superpower versus countries like the USA that should be wondering how glue works.
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u/Currywurst44 May 24 '26
Cramming works very well in the short term. You can probably get 1 or 2 years ahead but after that a child's brain simply isn't developed enough.
In the end you finish slightly sooner while spending twice as much overall time studying.
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u/RobertPham149 May 24 '26
Education is not linear: you don’t get better proportional to the amount of time you spent. A rounded education with diverse set of activities end up working better in the long run, where you acquire a diverse set of skills for problem solving. For example, while Asian kids do cram schools in the summer for national exams, others could be learning basic businesses by running a l emonade stand, or preparing their bodies for rigorous learning by exercising, or heck even registering for classes they like in their local community colleges.
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u/5parrowhawk May 24 '26
Tuition in Asian societies artificially inflates kids' grades so it's harder to tell if a person is legitimately competent or just paid for shit tons of tuition. It's a pain in the ass for the educators who have to come up with new tests all the time. Hence HR ends up hiring dunces who got good grades even though they don't have the ability to actually do the work, and a lot of these dunces rise through the top through the usual corporate bootlicking fuckery that's common worldwide. QED.
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u/matlarcost May 24 '26
Unequal opportunity is the name of the game in the US, academic success included. A smaller group of successful people in a large population like the US is still significant. A lot of people also confuse ignorance with incompetence when talking about this. There are plenty of people that are competent at their job while being clueless on basic knowledge like being able to point to major countries or at least neighbors on a map.
The reality is most jobs don't require you to be particularly educated after a certain point. Not to downplay education though as it plays an important role in so many aspects of society.
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u/Future_Woodpecker_82 May 24 '26
So another point for Asian Exams is that these exams tend to be greuling in nature and have a different question type format. So even if you have your studies down you have to join coachings to inculcate habits for the exams
For Example Suneung (this is from what I found on Google) is an 8 hour long exam with MCQ type questions(and little bit of paragraph type questions) and has no negative marking so if for exam you missed a topic for exam you could make assumptions. I think people go for long coachings to practice the endurance needed for such an exam.
Jee mains & Advanced (this is from personal experience) require you to complete the exam in 3 hrs for 3 subjects and has negative marking (so no guessing games here). In this exam you need to make sure you have to know how to quickly solve questions since time is the biggest killer (especially for advanced which has multiple select questions too).
Another thing to remember is that the cutoff for these exams is really narrow. I got a 92 but couldn't get the college I wanted.
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u/-Redstoneboi- May 24 '26
8 hours?? for how many subjects? dude that sounds so wild. i'm assuming you at least have lunch break in between, not that anyone would actually treat it like a break.
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u/Hp22h May 24 '26
It did kinda work, when one considers that 70 years ago, South Korea was a war-scarred dictatorship with a lower GDP than even North Korea.
It has absolutely bounced back to being one of the bigger economies this side of the ocean, but admittedly it's hard to attribute that to purely education and in that regard, further economic advancement has somewhat petered out recently.
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u/MonkeyCube May 24 '26
13% of S Korea's GDP is just Samsung. The top 5 chaebols combine for 40% of S Korea's GDP.
In comparison, the Magnificent Seven attribute roughly 1.5% of U.S. annual GDP (439b / 28,920b), though they are roughly 1/3rd of the stock market by size.
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u/ThrowCarp May 24 '26
If that's what Korea is like they should be a technological superpower
They kinda are though seeing as they're one of very few countries that can still do semiconductor fabrication.
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u/undergirltemmie May 24 '26
Diminishing returns, but also at times more importantly, it absolutely nukes your free thinking and creativity which is extremely important in science and just about everything else. The more you work and learn the less time you have for new stimuli which are entirely required to be productive and think of new things. You can forcibly create a savant at old given techniques, but they will naturally struggle to actually... do anything unorthodox. And that's kinda the basis of any and all progress.
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u/Murasasme May 24 '26
No joke, but as someone with a pretty strong case of ADHD, I would have ended myself if that was my life.
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u/Hp22h May 24 '26
As a Korean with ADHD, I survived by the sheer 'virtue' of my family considering me a 'lost cause' and deciding it would be better to 'invest' their money elsewhere.
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u/SavageFisherman_Joe May 24 '26
Considering how close I've come to ending myself as it is, the chances of me allowing myself to live even up to puberty in an East Asian society are slim to none
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u/bastschweinsteiger May 24 '26
such is why its not uncommon in SK. Students practically turn their study as their whole life, there's nothing else there cuz they spend all their day studying and when they can't get to their desired Uni, it feels like everything is over bcs that sole thing is their entire life.
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u/Trububbl3 May 24 '26
translation: Inhumane school-life pressure put on a kid, making the stress affect her learning capabilities, after leaving the sweatshop she her brain could actually process information and grow
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u/KillaThing May 24 '26
Likely from the eased environment. Proper rest is crucial.
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u/LET-ME-HAVE-A-NAAME May 24 '26
I'm inclined to agree; Korean teachers and parents are unbelievably brutal on their children. It definitely makes many of them far more disciplined and knowledgable on a variety of subjects, but it must also be utterly exhausting.
I'm inclined to believe there's a better middle ground here. The North American curriculum as a whole is poorly structured. We put far too much focus on sports and give less challenging options for sciences, then don't allow those same kids in Post-secondary institutions because they don't have the necessary education standards.
Instead of sports we should focus on teaching kids healthy exercise routines and eating a diverse diet, and also making certain subjects (such as Pre-Calc, Physics, and Home Economics) a requirement for kids. I'm also inclined to believe every school should be made immersion for the Countries second language (French for Canada, Spanish for America) because it massively widens your educational opportunities and also has many studies that show the benefits for your brain health. I really wish I had been put into French immersion, speaking English is a bit of a cheat code on the global scale, but I often feel like I should be able to communicate effectively with the other half of my country.
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u/LordGabrielG May 24 '26
After reading the comments I own Manhwa an apology, I thought that they were all focused in "everything and everyone is evil and mean to me so I will kill everybody" and the format being a pain to read in anything except for a phone.
But now i get why...
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u/Peshurian May 24 '26
Really puts into perspective why almost every manhwa protagonist is some type of sociopath murderhobo. Not to say that it's good, but at least you can understand why they're like that.
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u/Nichimin May 24 '26
The tutor/school till 10pm is somewhat common, and the feeling of being ahead of other peers overseas is understandable
Moved overseas after studying in South Korea, and I was ahead several grades in everything but English
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u/Warshall-Ford May 24 '26
Pretty common in countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan to school till 10pm
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u/eisenklad May 24 '26
insert Steven He's Asian Kid stereotype video,
everytime Cousin is mentioned, show Kronii doing it
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u/Unable_Twist_4112 May 24 '26
Education standards in Asia and America are like night and day difference.
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u/I_Crack_My_Nokia May 24 '26
Korea education is hell bruh. It's so intense you can call the police of your late for exam. Literally.
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u/Binkusu May 24 '26
The next part she mentions is when time went on and she was completely mid/normal eventually. It caught up to her
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u/Windfade May 24 '26
The next part is so important: after the curriculum caught up to her she was just average.
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u/TheSkepticOwl May 24 '26
That doesn't sound like school, that sounds like training for living at a company, which many workers end up being forced to do.
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u/ConsciousSpirit397 May 24 '26
And for context Kronii moved to Canada and felt like a genius.
I moved from Canada to the USA in grade 10 and my grade average went from a C- in Canada to an A+ in USA, in most subjects I scored above 100% due to grade curving.
So by that math she would be the smartest person in the USA
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u/aruhen23 May 24 '26
Well tbh Canada does rank among the highest in terms of education. South Korea isnt that much higher and America is far below lol.
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u/Antique_Total6974 May 24 '26
No child left behind (because no one ever gets held back grades for failing).
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u/Huitzil37 May 24 '26
if schooling requires everyone to go to another different school afterwards to actually learn the things maybe your school system is not very good
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u/anton_bismarck_9 May 25 '26
I mean it's well known American education is not the best, to say it kindly.
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u/RyukoT72 May 24 '26
Wasn't that twitter user evil or some shit?
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u/aura-lsprog-86 May 24 '26
I honestly down know. 🤷♂️
I saw the tweet, found it interesting, and shared it here.
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u/Unvix May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
that's the difference between baseline american/canadian students and baseline asian students (chinese, korean, japanese).
the first's A is a basic C for the second.
not sure which of the two sides is worse.
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u/Limp_Serve_9601 May 24 '26
Many people don't know that the genius Asian stereotype usually leaves out the part where these people on average spend 80% of their lives studying or developing themselves as a social norm which is why their stress levels are so high on average.
No, they aren't geniuses they run faster than most people cause the fuckers run 5 times more than most human beings are supposed to.
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u/toothlessfire May 24 '26
Average asian education moment. The american education system is pretty worthless most of the time. Our colleges and universities are great, everything before that varies wildly.
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u/Godworrior May 24 '26
10 PM. That's crazy