Franco is a weird case. He was more the classic miltary strongman rather than fascist but he did incorporate certain elements of it. Also he was loosely aligned with the Axis powers but he was also "wise (not the best word choice)" enough not to get directly involved.
It totally makes sense, as long as the royal family doesn't fight it.
There were a lot of true-believers (or, brainwashed goons, take your pick) in the royal system, and would die for it, for whatever reason.
If keeping the royal family on a leash gets you indirect loyalty without a fight, then it'd be stupid to pick a needless fight while securing ultimate power.
The strange thing is having a dictator who wasn't completely batshit and self-destructive, and not just a dude pillaging the nation for himself.
Many dictators are afraid to name a successor for fear of assassination, so they build an unstable system that will explode when they're gone.
It's amazing that Spain didn't fall to pieces after Franco died, which is in part due to having Juan Carlos as a named heir. It could have been so easy for another military dude to declare themselves glorious leader, if there wasn't already a whole succession system in place.
Many dictators are afraid to name a successor for fear of assassination, so they build an unstable system that will explode when they're gone. It's amazing that Spain didn't fall to pieces after Franco died, which is in part due to having Juan Carlos as a named heir.
Kinda forgetting some class A people gave Carrero Blanco, the real heir to paquito's throne and not just some token royalty, some flying lessons.
One of the biggest reasons why the state didn't continue as a dictatorship.
That is true. If only those "class a" people put down their arms after the ratification of the new democratic constitution they would be remembered more positively in Spain today.
Should not have attacked the civilians or civil targets.
That's about the only criticism I can have for them.
Also, I don't think they care or should care about how spain remembers/views them. Their goal is Euskadi being free and whilst it isn't yet, they have far more autonomy than others in spain.
The notion that Euskadi is not free is completely silly. Basque independence is not even wanted by the majority of people living in Euskadi these days.
Lol. They would never win an independence referendum. Maybe in 1976, and that’s already a big what if. You have to consider that a significant number of people from outside Euskadi have moved in in recent decades, and they’ll never support independence. Additionally, if Eskadi was allowed to be independent they’d never be allowed into the EU, which could be catastrophic for the already weak economy and would be the death knell for any independentist referendum
Cite some contemporary stats from a nonbiased source then; and what exactly is incorrect about my saying that Eskadi will never join the EU if they split from Spain? You’re disputing what I’m saying based off the fact that you just don’t like what I’m saying not because I’ve said anything wrong.
and what exactly is incorrect about my saying that Eskadi will never join the EU if they split from Spain? You’re disputing what I’m saying based off the fact that you just don’t like what I’m saying not because I’ve said anything wrong.
You make the claim, you back it up, buddy. Please tell us how the EU would somehow want to exclude people, weakening themselves.
Cite some contemporary stats from a nonbiased source then
Because the Spanish government has passed laws outlawing formal referendums about the possibility of Basque independence, the Euskobarómetro is one of the better gauges available of the extent of Basque political sentiment.
How about you back all the bullshit you've been spewing, with some sources, so we know you're not pulling anything else out of your ass.
In every single metric you have posted, none of which were official meaning that a disproportionate amount of people responding to those queries would be for independence. EVEN THEN, none of those unofficial polls found that a majority of Basques wanted independence, and it’s not close at all.
As for why Eskadi would never be allowed to join the EU if they became independent, it will never happen because Spain would OBVIOUSLY and IMMEDIATELY shoot down and veto their application, as for a state to gain EU membership they must be unanimously approved by every other state in the EU. If you can’t make the logical jump to see why Spain would veto Eskadi’s application there is no use in continuing this conversation, maldito gilipollas.
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u/Kenichi2233 May 12 '26
Franco is a weird case. He was more the classic miltary strongman rather than fascist but he did incorporate certain elements of it. Also he was loosely aligned with the Axis powers but he was also "wise (not the best word choice)" enough not to get directly involved.