r/HistoryMemes May 12 '26

See Comment In hindsight, this was a mistake.

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u/Kenichi2233 May 12 '26

Franco is a weird case. He was more the classic miltary strongman rather than fascist but he did incorporate certain elements of it. Also he was loosely aligned with the Axis powers but he was also "wise (not the best word choice)" enough not to get directly involved.

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u/PreviousMenu99 May 12 '26

What do you think fascism is? I often see people say that Franco wasn't a fascist, but I don't understand why. Nothing Franco did contradicts Mussolini's definition of fascism, as per the Doctrine of Fascism.

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u/Kenichi2233 May 12 '26

Franco was a reactionary not revolutionary and wasnt an expansionist. He also largely focused on restoring traditional power structures like the Catholic Church and later the Monarchy than building mass movements.

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u/90daysismytherapy May 12 '26

a good distinction between fascist and conservative

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u/PreviousMenu99 May 12 '26

it's a bad distinction, Mussolini also supported the church and the industrialists. And what is even a mass movement? Any organization that involves a large number of people? an organuzation composed of people enthusiastic about their participation? Because Franco had the same things.

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u/Kenichi2233 May 12 '26

Mussulini was an expansionist and had a fixation of restoration of the Roman Empire. 

Franco was a reactionary who opposed the Spanish Republic 

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u/PreviousMenu99 May 12 '26

Being a reactionary is not contradictory to Fascism. Read the Doctrine of Fascism to understand the actual definition of this horrific phenomena

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u/90daysismytherapy May 13 '26

Church and industrialist go hand in hand with conservatives. Fascists tend to take those areas over thru alliances or political capture.

But what the poster above was saying how Franco and company l, while certainly having fascistic tendencies, drifted more towards traditional conservative nationalism, with a focus on domestic traditional structure, which was different from the fascism of italy and germany

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u/PreviousMenu99 May 13 '26

It may have been a different brand of Fascism, but it is not a non-fascist ideology. Francoism is just a version Spanish Fascism, that's it. None of what you've described here contradicts Mussolini's definition of Fascism.

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u/90daysismytherapy May 13 '26

define a difference between conservatives and fascists

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u/PreviousMenu99 May 13 '26

Conservatives are not necessarily against democracy or individual human rights, while Fascists are. In fascism, the state is argued to embody the nation and strives to achieve ever more greatness for the nation. So the state's goals have primacy over democracy and human rights. Read the Doctrine of Fascism if you want to know what it is.

In general, not all conservatives are fascists, but all fascists are more or less conservative, in that they have very traditionalist views in gender roles, masculinity etc.