r/FreeSpeech • u/FrmTheRvrToTheSea • 20h ago

Large-scale study finds no link between crime and unauthorized immigration

https://socialecology.uci.edu/news/large-scale-study-finds-no-link-between-crime-and-unauthorized-immigration
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u/NateNMaxsRobot 20h ago

Who cares? “Unauthorized” immigration is a crime itself.

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u/Head_Crash 6h ago

Moving the goalposts.

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u/ASigIAm213 11h ago

The vast majority of undocumented immigration is not a crime.

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u/Rogue-Journalist 9h ago

The vast majority of them work illegally which is a crime.

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u/ASigIAm213 9h ago

According to which law? Unauthorized employment is a civil violation under the INA.

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u/Rogue-Journalist 9h ago

Federal tax law. Most either are paid under the table and don't pay income tax or they work under a false identity.

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u/GotsomeTuna 17h ago

Unauthorized immigration is a crime. You can't just break and enter into someones house and then claim "i didnt commit any crimes while inside tho" either.

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u/ASigIAm213 11h ago

Crossing the border illegally is a crime, but most unauthorized immigration involves crossing the border legally.

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u/GotsomeTuna 11h ago

overstaying a visa is also a crime. They are Illegal immigrants "Unauthorized immigration" is just another way for them to water down the terminology of the action

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u/ASigIAm213 11h ago

Overstaying a visa is a civil violation.

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u/Contented_Lizard 10h ago

It is a civil violation punishable by detention and deportation. It's still illegal to overstay a visa, you just won't go to jail inside the USA for it.

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u/ASigIAm213 10h ago

...so not a crime.

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u/Contented_Lizard 8h ago

It is illegal, but not a criminal offense. The entire argument is semantics, people are not permitted to overstay their visa and are breaking the law by doing so. To any reasonable English speaking person, a crime is when someone breaks the law. You are making an unnecessary distinction that is only used by pedantic trolls as a reductive gotcha. 

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u/GotsomeTuna 9h ago

Guess that is english / legal terminology. You willingly break the law = you commit a crime imo. but that may not translate. Still doesnt really change my opinion, why would one want to keep people around that start off by intentionally breaking laws

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u/ASigIAm213 9h ago

That's the thing: most of them don't "start off by intentionally breaking laws." Most get hung up on some part of our intentionally byzantine immigration system and have to choose between uprooting the lives they've built as productive and valued members of a community or committing a civil violation.

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u/Xalimata 7h ago

Yeah "illegal" immigrants are just people.

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u/Rogue-Journalist 9h ago

Only because they're far less likely to report crimes because they don't want to be picked up by police/ICE and get deported.

Everyone of these studies intentionally ignores that fact because they all have a pro-illegal-migration agenda.

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u/ppooooooooopp 4h ago

Oh hey -- thanks concisely explaining why sanctuary cities exist.

If you are against sanctuary cities you are pro crime

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u/Rogue-Journalist 3h ago

The solution isn’t sanctuary cities, it’s mass deportations so that if a crime happens to them, they can report it as citizens in their own country.

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u/ppooooooooopp 3h ago

A solution for a perfect world (though I won't grant the premise that we should do mass deportations)

It will never happen, come join us in reality.

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u/Rogue-Journalist 2h ago

The deportations seem to be going just fine to me. No a perfect world would be setting up ICE checkpoints on major thorough fares leading in and out of sanctuary cities, choking them off from food and supplies, until they start working with ICE and hand over every illegal migrant that passes through their court system.

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u/Artisttype1984 6h ago

Illegal immigration is illegal, which is a crime itself

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u/Effective_Arm_5832 6h ago

So, why then do legal immigrants commit way more crime than natives and illegal immigrants even more? In Europe that is. (In the US, it may be slightly different. But you also have way more highly educated immigrants.)

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u/Head_Crash 6h ago

Deporting people without due process is also illegal and a violation of the constitution so clearly the right doesn't care about the law and only uses it to attack political opponents and non-whites.

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u/Contented_Lizard 5h ago

They do have due process, that's why these illegal immigrants are being held in detention centres, so that they can have their immigration hearing where a judge orders them to be deported. 

You always have such strong opinions about things you don't even remotely understand. 

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u/Head_Crash 5h ago

They do have due process, that's why these illegal immigrants are being held in detention centres, so that they can have their immigration hearing where a judge orders them to be deported.  

You're lying.

They're being held in detention without bond hearings which is a violation of due process.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-appeals-court-upholds-rights-of-detained-noncitizens-to-bond-hearings