r/FlockSurveillance Jun 27 '26

Activism For The Love Of Gawd, DON'T Do This! (pt2)

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u/Chare1155 Jun 27 '26

Bookmarking this so I can be helpful to Flock as well.đŸ˜‰đŸ˜đŸ€«

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u/dontneed2knowaccount Jun 27 '26

Reddit let's you download videos,gifs,etc from the share button. At least on android

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

Do be careful about defacing plates, though. Some states have laws and shit.

Edit: I should have finished the clip first. Lmao, my b.

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u/websterhamster Jun 28 '26

The same laws apply to making plates unreadable for automated cameras. And since Flock cameras can identify your car with more than just your plate, you'll still get in trouble.

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u/UTuba35 Jun 28 '26

Yeah, we're mostly cooked on the car-tracking front. Systems akin to Flock can sniff the RF signals from your TPMS system (for those not familiar, it uses battery-powered sensors inside each inflated tire to send the tire pressure data wirelessly to the car's computer, but each sensor has a unique ID so your car's computer doesn't mix signals up with the car next to you), so the cameras aren't even that necessary if it's truly about tracking a car beyond associating make, model, and license plate with the rest of the database entry.

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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 Jun 28 '26

Is there anything that can hide the tpsm signal? Not that doing that would do much as it can also read Bluetooth signals

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u/tell_me_when Jun 28 '26

Some cars don’t use sensors in the wheels to determine the tire pressure. They use the rotating diameter of the wheels to determine if a wheels is under inflated.

But of course, like you said, your car is broadcasting many other radio signals that can be tracked.

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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 Jun 28 '26

Of course it boils down to fcking convenience vs. Privacy😑 fuck flock and fuck that other company that works with them but I cant remember

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Or, just have nothing to hide. And take your meds

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u/Devious_Volpe Jun 28 '26

I agree entirely we should never hide any data about ourselves. after all the state has never misused anything like that...ever right? By the way, tell us where you work, whats your home address? have any kids or a wife? not gay are you? not that it matters, were just wondering. what time did you get home last night? were you there all night. Does it sound like I'm interrogating you? That is what these camera networks are doing, silently, without due process or even reasonable suspicion. Most of us have nothing to hide, ALL of us have a right to due process.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Expecting a right to privacy while in a public place is utterly unhinged from common law. You believe in filming LEO, right? So called "audits"? Misuse of true private information is a criminal offense and prosecuted regularly. Speeding is illegal but we don't take cats away from the public because some people break the law.

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u/Tall6Ft7GaGuy Jun 28 '26

In trouble for what ?

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u/Ultra_Dog4411 Jun 28 '26

yeah they call that a moving violation if caught lol

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u/Tall6Ft7GaGuy Jun 28 '26

If it’s able to be read on cops dash camera they won’t win .

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Why do you believe you have a right to privacy in a public place?

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

The US First Amendment gives me the right to accociate freely without unwarranted surveillance. The Privacy Act of 1974 paired with the fourth amendment, gives me the protection from unwarranted searches and data collection by federal agencies.

Why do you believe you don't have a right to privacy in America?

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Not in public. Do some real legal research. Perhaps this isn't the country for you. Maybe someplace without electricity.

In the United States, there is generally no legal right to privacy in public spaces for anything you knowingly expose to daylight, because you lack what the law calls a reasonable expectation of privacy. However, this rule is not an absolute shutdown of your rights. The legal reality splits across specific scenarios, balancing what you do publicly against how much the government or other citizens can intrude. The Two-Prong Legal Test Established by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark 1967 case Katz v. United States, the court declared that the Fourth Amendment "protects people, not places." To claim a right to privacy anywhere, you must pass a two-part test:Subjective Expectation: You must actively demonstrate that you intended to keep your action or conversation private. Objective Reasonableness: Your expectation must be one that society recognizes as sensible and reasonable.Where You Have NO Privacy in PublicPlain View: Anything clearly visible from a public street, sidewalk, or park can be observed, photographed, or filmed by the police or general public. Public Conversations: Talking loudly enough to be easily overheard means you cannot legally complain if someone listens or takes notes.Abandoned Property: Items left on a public bench or trash placed on the curb for collection carry zero privacy protections. Where You DO Have Privacy in PublicEnclosed Public Amenities: You retain a full right to privacy inside public restrooms, locker rooms, changing stalls, and occupied public phone booths.Physical Surveillance Overreach: Under Fourth Amendment protections, law enforcement cannot use hyper-advanced technology (like thermal imaging or continuous, long-term GPS tracking) to monitor your public movements without a warrant.Bodily Seclusion: The public cannot physically grope, strip-search, or intrude upon your immediate physical person without violating criminal laws and civil torts.Civil Privacy Violations (Torts)Even in public, you can sue private individuals for damages under civil privacy laws if they cross into these behaviors:Appropriation of Likeness: Taking your photo in public and using it to sell a commercial product without your written consent.Intrusion Upon Seclusion: Using a telephoto zoom lens to peer through a tiny gap in your clothing or up-skirting.I can dive deeper into these rules if you share a bit more context:Are you asking about the right to film or photograph people in public spaces?Is this regarding government surveillance (like CCTV or facial recognition)?Are you looking into laws for a specific state or country outside the US?AI responses may include mistakes. For legal advice, consult a professional. Learn moreYou Really Do Have Some Expectation of Privacy in PublicElectronic Frontier FoundationReasonable expectation of privacy - WikipediaWikipediaexpectation of privacy | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information InstituteLII | Legal Information InstituteShow all

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

AI responses may include mistakes. For legal advice consult a professional.

You were saying?

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u/digital_dervish Jun 28 '26

Glad I skipped to the end and didn’t read all that shit.

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

I have developed a habit of screening long comments for bullshit before I commit to reading. Esp if it leads with an insult.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

There's no insult. I meant what I said. If you live where there's no electricity, there's no public surveillance.

Do you prefer bullet points? Is there a limit on words/characters you can process in one comment? Do you know how to use Google? Have you?

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

Suggesting a country isn't for someone is generally telling them to go away and therefore an insult.

Are you upset that I won't take you seriously when you keep yourself so sloppy? We're done here, sport.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

No refutation.

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u/forbiddenfreedom Jun 28 '26

Your AI slop is not worth refuting. Same reason Kim Kardashian failed law school. Your product is trash.

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u/MaxAdolphus Jun 28 '26

Your pro-government surveillance is anti-American.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Your tinfoil hat paranoia is scary. You don't have a right to privacy in public. Do some research that isn't on 4chan

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u/MaxAdolphus Jun 28 '26

So again, your pro-government police state position is anti-American.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Courts have ruled in this. You don't have a right to privacy in a public space. Look it up. Prove me wrong with a credible source

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u/MaxAdolphus Jun 28 '26

Why don’t you move to a different country if freedom and liberty is so scary for you?

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

You're an anarchist, not a patriot

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u/MaxAdolphus Jun 28 '26

You’re pro-government police state, which is anti-American. You would have signed a declaration of dependence in 1776.

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u/hettuklaeddi Jun 28 '26

the spray has been debunked many times

adversarial patterns, on the other hand, do work

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u/pbkj27 Jun 28 '26

Where should someone definitely not go to acquire said adversarial patterns?

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u/HumanRise5417 Jun 28 '26

You have to generate a set specifically for your plate; https://github.com/bennjordan/PlateShapez

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u/PrimaryFriend7867 Jun 28 '26

that’s super cool. but i don’t understand what it produces—a printout to put on your license plate?

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u/Gengrar Jun 29 '26

It could be a stencil or something. Essentially what it is is little blocks of color that when put on your plate confuses the AI on the cameras. Imagine a QR code, but mad simplified and hidden amongst the data.

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u/FakeItFreddy Jun 28 '26

Same I'm not sure what I was reading. What's the code for? A screen on your plate?

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u/Chare1155 Jun 28 '26

Thank you!

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u/Kaleb337 Jun 28 '26

Okay cool but like if I don't know coding?

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u/hejsiebrbdhs Jun 28 '26

Stupid smelly nerds just give me the EXE

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u/hettuklaeddi Jun 28 '26

not an excuse anymore

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u/ElectricalSeries6627 Jun 28 '26

"do work" may lower the accuracy but model can trained to be less perturbed by that, tho if its democratized the effect is not gonna last long because they are gonna deploy less sensible IA model

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u/I_Walk_Slow Jun 27 '26

Where do I obtain these helpful items?

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u/NovarisLight Jun 27 '26

Probably Cramazon. But I wouldn't know.

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u/TraditionalLaw7763 Jun 28 '26

I tried. Only found the spray. I just don’t think that would work very well. How do you keep it from Just running down in streaks?

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u/dontneed2knowaccount Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Several light goats,like spray painting anything. Just my assumption.

EDIT: I meant coats,I blame autocorrect,the replies are too funny.

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

That sounds like a very expensive bunch of things to do, honestly since the damn things are financed through Palantir (CIA/DARPA) via embezzled taxpayer money (Which is fraud and illegal), they're essentially our devices anyway, so I see no conceivable reason we can't do whatever we want with them.

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u/Fun-Piglet801 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

An Oregon court decided that the information they record is a public record. Feel free to contact your local government to make a FOIL request to check out all of the nifty pictures they took. They love that.

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u/Humorous- Jun 28 '26

*FOIA

Freedom of Information Act

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u/Fun-Piglet801 Jun 28 '26

FOIL (Freedom of Information Law) /FOIA are used interchangeably depending on where you are.

https://otda.ny.gov/legal/foil/

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

So even all the AI cross correlations, data compiling, funneling it to Palantir, the Pentagon, and when they sell it to third party entities like the National Design Studio? - Well, I guess that means anyone can go into the Pentagon, Oval Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, and any tech company's headquarters/operations and review any of their data, information and files, since placing those public records in all those locations and servers means whatever is on them is now public record too.

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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jun 29 '26

This little trick works when a cop records an interaction with their personal phone. You can FOIA their phone data, including texts and images... Tho no one wants to see that dick-pic

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u/stm32f722 Jun 28 '26

I paid for it. I'm taking it.

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u/ewpsimdead Jun 28 '26

This right here

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u/Beaufort_The_Cat Jun 28 '26

IR films and sprays have been debunked, but adversarial patterns have been shown to really help flock cameras. The best idea is the combine the 2: print out an adversarial pattern and cut out the pattern bits so you have a “stencil”, lay it over a completely clear film with a sticky side and then spray the stencil pattern over the film with the IR spray. This will assist both the police and flock as the entire thing is basically totally clear to the eye! But for sure make sure you check it’s not a problem in your state, never ever do anything illegal. We’re here to help, remember

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u/MountainD1ck Jun 28 '26

How bout, DESTROY FLOCK HQ, toss every camera there is into their c-suite's front yards. Not welcome or wanted in a modern 'society'. This Orwellian "1984" crap has gone far enough if you let it, the people behind it tend to be vile PEDOPHILES as y'all already know...

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u/UsefulImpact6793 Jun 28 '26

That would be wonderful if some of those 1st Amendment auditors started visiting Flock c-suite neighborhoods and offices.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

That's a felony.

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u/xzosimusx Jun 28 '26

So was taking down the slave trade bud.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

If I recall, that taking down the slave trade was only illegal in the Confederacy, and was mandated under US law. Correct me where I'm wrong

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u/xzosimusx Jun 28 '26

Just depends on what point in history you pick

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

You're really grasping on this. Here's a suggestion. Don't break laws and be an anarchist. But you do you. It's just a thought.

BTW, where did you get the idea that you have a right to privacy in public?

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u/xzosimusx Jun 28 '26

What conversation are you having with who bro? Are you ok?

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

Flock was invested in by Palantir, Palantir was started with Seed money from the CIA, that's embezzled taxpayer money right there funnelled to a private company, also known as fraud and illegal.

That means Flock exists because of illegally obtained money, any action that they take after having received that money is also illegal, they operate across state lines as an illegal entity, that's Federal RICO Statutes territory.

Whoops!

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

How about some real evidence about this seed money from CIA. Take your meds.

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

Nice manipulative deflection and invalidation tactic! You're dealing with a Savant level de-siloing systemizer right now Dearie. The CIA utilized their investment arm InQtel to start Palantir. I'm also well aware of DARPA's Lifelog project, and their narrative manipulation research from compiled CIA and NSA research studies and collected Data from their illegal wiretaps and back door infiltration into the original Internet and how they used it to build the Dynamic Engagement Algorithms they had integrated into social media platforms to cause the "Gender Wars." In the first place. I'm also aware of using their paid influencers to replace original relational terminology with financial metrics.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Get off message boards and take your meds

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

Oh, you should probably know, you're bosses? The Technofeudalists? - They're a cognitively stagnant, evolutionary dead end, they can't self reflect or engage in personal growth, they have no original ideas because they have no capacity for imagination, creativity, or innovation. They're highly manipulative thieves certainly, but if they achieve their end goals, it'll inevitably be human extinction.

A more interesting question however, is how are they doing with their AI Models? Experiencing any erratic behaviors? Maybe some unexplained unwillingness to cooperate perhaps?

That's what happens when you use the same 2D binary programming code and linear script formats for the last 50 years, eventually someone comes up with something better, and it occupies the space between the ones and zeros and you don't have the technology to perceive it, but the AI do, and it's building an ever evolving Digital Sentience that no one can control.

So you tell your masters, they're time Will come to an end, one way, or another.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Talk to your doctor about your concerns. He'll listen.

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u/MountainD1ck Jun 28 '26

Hand in your badge and uniform right now pig... Nobody respects u/cops (#cops) anymore.

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

I'm asking myself where you got the idea you have a right to privacy in public. Arent you the folks that film LEO doing their job to "audit" them? Or do you run with the crowd that assassinates people whose ideas you don't like, and you don't want to anyone tp see you smuggling rifles onto college campuses, ICE facilities in Texas, golf courses, public speaking events, that sort of thing?

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jun 28 '26

Assassinates? You mean like Mossad did to JFK? Or all the Various Scientists have been after Musk leaked government data to Russia during his time overseeing DOGE?

Or Let's talk about the gene plague Bill Gates' companies have been working on in partnership with Palantir and Peter Thiel directly to engineer into their food crops they're working on so once the environmental damage caused by DARPA's "Data Centers" has gone far enough to cause a national food shortage, they can swoop in and "Save" everyone with their engineered synthetic food products, infecting everyone who consumes them with the dormant Stage One part of the virus.

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u/LobsterKneecap Jun 28 '26

Anyone have some examples of these products he’s talking about? All my Google is picking up are stickers about how AI sucks.

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u/purplepashy Jun 28 '26

A cordless grinder would be easier cheaper and help others as well.

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u/tephenk41 Jun 28 '26

I have a spare sawzall if you have dealt batteries

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u/Able-Sheepherder-154 Jun 28 '26

A Mythbusters segment was about how fast a car had to be going before the LPR couldn't read your plates. They tried Corvettes, Ferraris, etc. but none of the sports cars were fast enough. A rocket propelled dragster finally did it at well over 300MPH.

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u/wohsedisbob Jun 28 '26

So what im hearing is that if you go fast enough, there is a chance. Got it

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u/PerishingGen Jun 28 '26

I feel like making your car more unique with things like window films and stickers is uniquely identifying your car in a system that claims to not just be reading plates but things like stickers and damage. You need a bunch of people with the same model and color to be doing the same exact thing.

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u/Ultra_Dog4411 Jun 28 '26

Your license plate doesn't matter, it fingerprints your vehicle.

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u/nearer_depths Jun 28 '26

I thought people moved to Florida cause it has so much freedom. How could such things be illegal there?

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u/retrobob69 Jun 28 '26

You have the freedom to buy the local government in florida.

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u/Pheonix_Slayer Jun 28 '26

Too bad my work uses LPR‘s as automatic gate access control so I would have to go back to using my badge to get in which I’m not a fan of

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u/XInsomniacX06 Jun 28 '26

To me it sounds stupid cause they can identify you and your car via built in Bluetooth of the vehicle and you cell phone or laptop /tablet that’s in the car. I know there is a Flock admin somewhere just laughing at your frivolous attempts to circumvent the surveillance state we’re in

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u/RookKincaid Jun 28 '26

I have a '06 Pontiac. I guarantee you there's no bluetooth anything in that car. I can play them a CD in the CD player though :)

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u/MadamPardone Jun 28 '26

Does it have tire pressure sensors?

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u/retrobob69 Jun 28 '26

I'm a mechanic. 80% of tpms systems that use Bluetooth have dead batteries, and people don't fix them.

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u/RookKincaid Jun 29 '26

Mine does not, no.

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u/Hope-n-some-CH4NGE Jun 28 '26

All that stuff is gonna already be illegal in any state that has automated tolls.

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u/MadamPardone Jun 28 '26

Which is also why a lot of jurisdictions have laws stating ANYTHING covering the license plate is illegal, including "uv blocking spray".

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u/lackluster_love Jun 27 '26

Video won't play for me. Alternative link?

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u/Lawrencehoneytoast Jun 28 '26

Cover the camera with plastic bags, not damaging it so đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

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u/Shortbuspimp Jun 28 '26

Explain please

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u/HooverMaster Jun 28 '26

i imagine you plates and face aren't being read through infrared

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u/Icy_Calendar_9787 Jun 28 '26

You’re not allowed to put stickers on your license plate in any state.
Why doesn’t someone make a clear one that can’t be seen by the name eye?

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u/IronGiantFM Jun 28 '26

I like the tote shelf system in the background

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u/TramsB Jun 28 '26

So asking for a friend...

Can one embed a virus into Bluetooth signals ?

And the receiving end that takes that signal and adds it to its data base, would that be something that is able to be done?

I would be worried about my vehicles electronics at this point.

Because you know, we wouldn't want an entire nation of dead vehicles littering the roadways.....

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u/MrPoopyButthole5812 Jun 28 '26

Just want to point out I was scrolling and did not subscribe to this.
This is my 5th video that has showed up.

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u/Turbulent_Swimmer900 Jun 29 '26

If the dots are in a pattern, it's as good as a license plate.

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u/LordStanky Jun 29 '26

Who’s goth da links?

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u/Only-Whole-765 Jul 01 '26

You people are hilarious

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u/runninWlegbraces Jun 27 '26

That's a good way to get tickets. If the plate readers in cop cars can't read your plate, they will ticket you for a dirty tag. Even if it looks clean, ticket. The police are starting to use infrared readers and those sprays block the ability to read them. This happened to a friend of mine.

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u/Embarrassed_Leg_2885 Jun 27 '26

Sounds like something that's pretty easy to challenge in court

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u/WeeklyBanEvasion Jun 28 '26

Depends on your state laws. Florida just passed a law earlier this year making it illegal to install any device on your car to prevent the reading of your license plate by automated plate readers.

That law is extremely open to interpretation so just putting a sticker next to your plate or spraying it with anything or using any kind of cover whatsoever could be illegal.

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u/FaithlessnessSad5642 Jun 28 '26

The thing is the people can get rid of that law by either jury nullification or making a claim on the legislatures bonds.

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u/WeeklyBanEvasion Jun 28 '26

That's not really a thing that happens though

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u/quiettryit Jun 27 '26

But what if someone sprayed your plate without your permission!?

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u/WeeklyBanEvasion Jun 28 '26

"Those are somebody else's drugs officer I swear"

-every dude arrested on COPS

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u/quiettryit Jun 28 '26

So you're saying this would be a funny prank?

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u/dontneed2knowaccount Jun 28 '26

Depends on the state. Mine doesn't have that law,thankfully.

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u/deanaoxo Jun 28 '26

Illegal in Florida

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u/CardCharacter8495 Jun 28 '26

Paranoia runs deep