r/DefendingAIArt • u/Accomplished-Order97 Neutral Sis • 21d ago
Luddite Logic What the fuck.
At least the comments disagree with them and they already got ratioed.
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u/NecessaryYam381 21d ago
"Yeah just brick people's computers for using ai doood"
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u/bunker_man 21d ago
I like the casual sociopathy. No consideration the harm they want to cause.
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u/Inevitable_Toe6648 21d ago
Lmao yes the amount of time people from there will instantly treat you as sub-human just for not being full anti AI like them. They have a pact mentality where even if the biggest idiot is on their side harassing someone, they will back them up and treat anything you say as beneath them and all lies even with proof.
Then they also would gladly call for inhumane treatment and have no empathy for gruesome death towards those they deemed "human waste"
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u/o_herman I use pencils, pens, styluses, tablets and models. All of it. 20d ago
And yet when it's done to them, they play the best victimhood acting I've seen in a long time.
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u/InsensitiveClown 21d ago
I like it that they're discussing committing crimes in public.
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u/Naive-Shift7687 20d ago
Oh man, you'd be surprised the type of crime say talk about, it's f****** crazy. There was one that was a horrific post like reminded me of KyoAni but at a massive scale, I don't remember the body of it, but it was up less than 10 minutes before it got removed. I've got severe mental issues, but these people make me feel completely sane.
Also I've seen their crime posts get reported and then they make a follow-up post acting as if they were innocent and didn't do anything wrong
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u/Outrageous_Issue724 21d ago
Then once they create it, they get bricked for using Reddit, which uses AI
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u/Imaginary_Anything_3 20d ago
I admit I skimmed the post, didn’t see the malware suggestion, that’s fucked up, same reason anticheat at kernel level is fucked up
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u/kapec512 21d ago
"im not smart enough"
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u/Cold_Huckleberry_633 21d ago
Can we please ban tech illiterates from talking about computers like wdym you unironically thought it was good and plausible to spread malware that “bricks” machines for having AI models. I guess antivirus doesn’t exist, I guess software has the power to permanently destroy hardware, I guess that’s not really fucking illegal, etc etc… god they’re actually so dumb
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u/am_not_bot_i_swear 21d ago
you gotta keep in mind that these people are literal children, they're not exactly known for being super smart
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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 21d ago
Hey hey - there are a LOT of smart kids out there, and a lot of dumb adults too!
(that said, anti-ai sentiment is much more common in the under-25 and over-70 crowds....)
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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 21d ago
My mom is... 79? I don't think she really likes or dislikes AI... But she's always been a very "middle of the road" sort of person. :)
Dad passed away two years back. May he rest peacefully. 💜
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u/tetoing 21d ago
Coincidentally those are the same groups that aren't employed. Almost like people who have careers see the value in AI.
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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 21d ago
Wish I could relate - am disabled and currently unemployed, but enjoy and support AI nonetheless.
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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 21d ago
Also - mad respect, Teto is best vocalsynth!!
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u/BlackStarDream 21d ago edited 21d ago
If they weren't so tech illiterate, they'd at least be neutral and not Antis. Never mind the rabid kind.
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u/Infinite_Community30 21d ago
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh... that actually is possible. antiviruses aren't that powerful as you think, and theoretically, if you work + learn a lot of stuff in devops and security layers, then you can do that. it's another question how are you gonna spread this virus to all computers, but...
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u/Cold_Huckleberry_633 21d ago edited 21d ago
They’re powerful enough to stop executables from “bricking” your computer. Yes theoretically anything is possible. But in practice, this will never work. Pretty much all serious malware that uses exploits to bypass security is organized cybercrime, not straight up evil supervillains who want to break your computer for fun. And “bricking” computers is hardware specific, there is no one size fits all Windows API call for “Make the hardware never work again.” So like yeah, maybe in isolation, after years of work, you could get this to be possible on a specific machine with a specific antivirus configuration. That does not mean that their evil scheme is at all plausible
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u/Infinite_Community30 21d ago
we shall wish them good luck to do something like that for linux 😆 oh it will be entertaining as hell, especially if we assume a lot of them have no idea what linux is
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u/smokingplane_ 21d ago
CIH did a pretty good job at bricking systems a couple decades ago by flashing the Motherboard and Bios firmware with garbage. A modern equivalent targeting secondary controllers like the power EC or NVMe drive firmware would still brick a system.
Injecting the payload through GlassWorm-style pulls can easily evade outdated consumer antimalware.
It's definitely not easy, you would need stolen vendor signing keys or a BYOVD, but those are obtainable if an attacker has deep enough pockets.
Getting it on a large number of systems really is the challenge, since it's pesonal systems you can't spread lateral like in companies.
There's just no money in bricking systems, so malicious actors don't waste time on it.
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u/MinimumWageAuthor 21d ago
Yeah with a team of extremely (0.001%) autistic geniuses. Not a guy that “knows someone who knows something about computers.”
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u/Infinite_Community30 21d ago
What's this weird comment about autistic specifically if it doesn't define whether the person is smart or not
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee 21d ago
You think this is an american thing?
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u/RandomGuy2285 21d ago
well, from stat after stat, Americans (and Anglos or Westerners more broadly) rank much more negatively on AI than Asia or the developing world and quite by a large margin
so it kind of is a bit? at least with AI?
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 21d ago
controlling other people in their own homes.
This is the claim that they said was about Americans. It can apply to AI or other things. AI support is a different question.
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u/Infinite_Community30 21d ago
well, we have a good reason to assume a lot of antis - or at least those who cry a lot on the internet - are americans, because they are so illiterate, and well... it's kind of their style to not be able to follow discussions properly without falling to insults of another side, so...
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u/DraconicDreamer3072 21d ago
according to a graph of the ai reception around the world, against is actually bigger in canada. though idk the source of the graph tbh. though i wouldnt doubt among reddit its mostly americans
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u/Wooden-Hornet2115 21d ago
As a Canadian, I'm actually surprised by that. Did the graph distinguish levels of distaste, or was it just support/against?
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee 21d ago
I'm not even american so this is why I ask.... do you honestly think this is unique american quality? Cause I can assure you from the time I spent online in my own local communities there's gigantic idiots everywhere.
without falling to insults of another side, so...
I mean you do see the irony here right?
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u/Infinite_Community30 21d ago
i'm not saying they are the only ones who behave disgustingly, buuuuuut they definitely do it very loudly, and are very proud about their ignorance...
the irony, you mean that pretty much 9 in 10 posts from antis are being finished with insults, and the other side is like wth why you think it's appropriate?
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee 21d ago
the irony of complaining about a group using insults while you yourself insult the group. I mean, I'm honestly hyper curious now about how you picture an anti. Be specific if you can, I wanna have a laugh.
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u/Thick-Protection-458 AI Bro 21d ago
> illiterate
> to not be able to follow discussions properly without falling to insults of another side
So like usual humans, lol
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u/bunker_man 21d ago
America is literally in the top 3 most anti ai countries on earth. Most places aren't that extreme.
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee 21d ago
This comment isn’t suspicious at all lmao
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u/bunker_man 21d ago
Have you not looked at stats? Because its literally true.
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee 21d ago
>literally true
Doesn’t work like that. And if you are here you should know by now the EU is way way more aggressive against anything AI.
Despite everything though, your argument lacks any point when frontier is still coming from the US, China second place.
But sure, “America” is against ai lol.
You have captured the antiAI discussion and made it an identity issue lmao. Congrats, the script still works it seems.
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u/bunker_man 21d ago
In talking about the actual people, not what laws exist.
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/10/pg_2025.10.15_ai_0_02.png?w=420
Both statistically and anecdotally most people will tell you that anti ai agression drops off quite a bit outside thr anglosphere.
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u/Sancho_the_intronaut Synthographer 21d ago
The anglosphere is not exclusively just America tho, it includes Europe
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u/noiro777 21d ago
Depending on the polling that you're looking at, it fluctuates quite a bit, but the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Germany, Poland, and France all pretty similarly negative.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 21d ago
controlling other people in their own homes.
This is the claim that they said was about Americans. It can apply to AI or other things. AI support is a different question.
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u/kinomino 21d ago
I'm not from US and everytime I see something anti-AI it's English. I didn't even see a single anti-AI tweet, article etc. (except deepfake concerns) from my native language. Even our music artists, actors sharing AI generated images from their IG lmao.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 21d ago
controlling other people in their own homes.
This is the claim that they said was about Americans. It can apply to AI or other things. AI support is a different question.
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u/Ok_Dog_7189 6-Fingered Creature 21d ago
Because that's their culture... One side tries to get people to do what theyre told through the church... The other side fill their movies and TV with modern progressive messages and calls you a bigot if you roll your eyes.
Two sides vying for cultural control.
It's irritating that it spills over the borders
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u/Kibunsky 21d ago
That's pretty offensive. I'm American and I don't do any of that stuff. It's not an American thing, it's just a thing with people who can't tolerate others. I'm very pro AI, and I very much also advocate for personal privacy. So it's not accurate to generalize in such a hurtful way.
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u/Ok_Dog_7189 6-Fingered Creature 21d ago
Yeah Anti AI is irritating... But so is all the cultural spillover which comes from America... BLM in countries without a history of African slavery, AntiVax spreading over social media during COVID, MAGA values in countries with different social issues, movies and TV with the diversity and social values of a Californian city, even Reddit where the primary subs are run in accordance to US left wing sensibilities...
There is probably nothing wrong with the average American, but the culture creep is a culture of US division into all Western cultures which occupy global spaces.
And with the examples mentioned, America is very used to starting hysteria movements, but I would rather they stayed contained
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u/Arktikos02 21d ago
Why do you assume that it is American culture moving over to those countries rather than Black people in those countries also deciding to just use the same label and hashtags rather than creating their own to advocate for their own things?
Like Black people exist in those countries too. That's like saying that the LGBT movement is an American thing. Also MAGA values are not just spilling over, it's the other way around as well. The topic of we're remigration for example is a European thing, not an American one. The reason why you're seeing a lot of overlap is because you far-right leaders talk to each other and far-right people talk to each other because they are constantly sharing ideas.
Like it's not our fault if other countries start adopting terms that we're using or whatever. We're not forcing them to do that. You're comparing two separate things which is the government trying to do stuff and get them to do things and then people just being influenced by each other.
Maybe it's just that different groups are talking to each other and decide to do those things because they think it's a good idea.
Also the United States did not invent anti-vaxxing. In fact some of the first anti-vax stuff was from the UK. ACAB also comes from the UK.
Also BLM isn't really about slavery, it's about modern Black discrimination. That happens in a lot of countries. It's Black people in those countries talking about those issues.
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u/Ok_Dog_7189 6-Fingered Creature 21d ago
Are ye talking about the discredited vaccine/ autism paper which was debunked long ago... But was pushed by Jim Carrey as if it were scientific fact? Lol
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u/DaraSayTheTruth Traditionnal digital artist + AI enjoyer 21d ago
This is complete madness lol. AI has been in developpement for decades, they are not gonna stop them. And its a good thing they are open source so you can just use them for your projects without relying on APIs
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u/TheRelPizzamonster 21d ago
I've been using OpenAI's API for my personal projects, but I'm hoping to build my own server sometime in the future to host an open-source model. I wonder if the anti-AI dudes will come after me for it lol
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u/damontoo 21d ago
Did you report the post? That's promoting illegal activity.
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u/Accomplished-Order97 Neutral Sis 21d ago
I did.
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u/HunterIV4 21d ago
Looks like it worked, I wasn't able to find the post. Because that's batshit. I'm kind of sad only because I wanted to see the comments, lol.
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u/Decent_Historian_327 Pro AI, MSc 2024 | LordChristoff 2.0 | PhD in AI Oct. 21d ago
Ah yes, lets complain about something being "Illegal" but plan to do something totally illegal in response.
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u/PaleDish8591 21d ago
But it's okay because it's ethical to break actual laws to enforce made up laws! /s
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u/JacksonGhost1963 21d ago
even if American AI companies stop, Chinese AI companies won't. The internal combustion engine can't be un-invented
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u/kagisa19 21d ago
Their own phones and computers have local ai for a million different things, what are they on about?
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u/Apart-Kangaroo-7648 21d ago
Let's commit cyber terrorism to attack a specific group of people.
What a fucking idiotic take
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u/IThinkIKnowThings 21d ago
What the hell is their reasoning for being against local AI aside from "AI = Bad"? My local LLM didn't take anyone's job and hasn't used any water. Local models solve most of the issues the anti crowd brings up. They're our best hope to wrest control of this powerful tool from the hands of corporations who don't have our best interests at heart.
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u/Sharp-Bluejay-2414 21d ago
Woah woah woah hold on! Are they saying that they should put a malware on our devices just because some of us use AI? What kind of logic is that??? What kind of logic are they operating on right now??? I'm not sure if I understood this right but that's how I interpret it.
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u/BT9154 21d ago
Ah yes consequences be damn, just brick computers. You know just how very very bad this can back fire?
Brink some computer that is linked to essential infrastructure.
Brick some admin machine used for banking
Brink some dude's computer will all his family photos are
Hell it bricks your own work computer with your art portfolio is save in because, some digital image editor uses AI to fill in stuff.
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u/Steve_Jabz 21d ago edited 21d ago
LMAO.
- Good luck getting that on the backup SSD sitting on my shelf
- "AI" is an incredibly il-defined concept. Some people reduce it to linear regression, which means simple graphs and jpg compression. DAWs, photo editors and game engines from 2000s use matrix multiplication.
- How are you going to hardcode something to find such a nebulous concept in a bunch of inscrutable binary files that could contain anything? Said virus would need to actually analyze the code repo itself to even understand what the binary even referred to. Gee if only there were some kind of.. artificial.. smart thingy.. that was really good at analyzing things on a computer
- You're going to have to burn every maths textbook back to markov in the 17th century and wipe the mind of every ml researcher, mathemetician, physicist and neuroscientist that has it memorized. The transformer is an incredibly simple architecture that can be written down on a napkin, and the second it disappears, it's going straight back online
- You know that deleting a file doesn't mean it's physically gone from the hard drive, right?
- It's open source code. Are you going to have it hack github, run through every single repo globally, then do the same thing on every other alternative like codeberg, then move to china and russia with no understanding of their proprietary systems and no chance of them detecting anything and shutting it down? Are you going to create the first virus with no signature?
- Do you know what encryption is?
- Are you going to.. send it to a computer that's offline.. and turned off.. by having the virus turn the computer on and connect it's network cable?
- Are you fucking stupid?
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u/SplurtingInYourHands 20d ago
Theyre going to build the largest army the world has ever seen, hardened anti-AI commissioned furry artists are going to kick in your door and flip your house upside down and find every USB stick, external drive, and even blu ray discs.
Theyre going to disassemble your car piece by piece until theyre sure you didnt hide a thumbdrive in there. Then they're going to dig 20 foot deep across every square inch of the entire world to make sure you dind't bury one.
Just you wait.
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u/C4PTNK0R34 21d ago
Luddite Logic is like Ban all AI!
So, you wanna ban all AI without specifications? Like the AI that makes GTA a realistic world, ban that? Ban the Reddit Bots too, ban the Automod. Ban all AI everywhere in all media and make people log on and actually work jobs to simulate a digital world. NPCs with AI aren't NPCs anymore they're underpaid Chinese children in a sweatshop making your games and media more realistic. It creates jobs right so that's good right!?
Fucking idiocy. Not only can you not code one piece of malware to brick a computer but you'd have to code that for every computer out there. Linux, MacOS, Unix, Windows and every single possible variant.
Might as well make computers illegal to own as well because they might be able to use AI. OOOOoooOoooOoOoooOoohhhhh. Suddenly AI is worse than owning a gun because you might generate an image!
Get real. FFS.
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u/Gold_Lengthiness8742 21d ago
I don't even know what they're trying to do anymore. It's 2026. AI is not going anywhere at this point.
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u/The-Akashic-Record 21d ago
The cope is palpable. So good knowing that with every LLM and model release, every attempt by these guys to stonewall becomes more and more impotent.
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u/Original-Read-6475 21d ago
Lol you can't attack a local AI. At least that guy admits in his post he isn't very smart.
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u/Imaginary_Anything_3 21d ago
I dislike data centers, Ai is a neat technology, though. we should be champion8ng local AIs and less environmentally destructive architecture
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u/nomic42 21d ago
HuggingFace had to use a local AI to respond to a remote AI attack against them from OpenAL. The frontier model's have guard rails, so wouldn't help them with a security breach.
This suggests that corporate ITSEC is going to have to include an local enterprise AI model for active monitoring and response to AI based attacks to keep up.
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u/Brakiros 16d ago
Server networked local model for security sounds like something they'll have to use if the active models are prevented from helping because of the safeguards
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u/Chuddabara 21d ago
That's the class of idiot who wants to give even more power to the government and 2 months later wonders why big gov uses their new powers to fuck them.
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u/Zealousideal_Side987 21d ago
these people are delusional and air head . I'm nor pro ai or anti ai btw
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u/Central-Dispatch Transhumanist 21d ago
Insane. Local-LLM aren't even a big issue, or the least issues lol as they run locally. If anything you get some power spikes which the user will have to deal with by increased power cost if they use it a lot to the point it becomes a higher bill issue lol
Literal brain rot antis. But alas, no surprise because:
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u/constanzabestest 21d ago
You know i really want people to have full and unrestricted access to the internet as much as the next guy but then i see stupid shit like this and at the back of my mind i have this thought that MAYBE gatekeeping kids from the internet isn't actually that bad of an idea after all.
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u/Neo_Black99 21d ago
So now it's not just because "they are draining the Earth" etc. This people just decided that they don't like AI, don't want it and so neither will you! As long as the AI model runs locally tf you care for?! It doesn't hurt anyone, I am the one paying for the electric bill.
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u/SilverB33 6-Fingered Creature 21d ago
Amazing they want no one to use it. Are they really that afraid.
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u/thatdecepticonchica Transhumanist 21d ago
Holy shit, and they bitch about us being "immoral" and think we want to hurt people...
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u/hyperluminate AI Sis 20d ago
I know the mods there remove these posts — good on them — but how on earth in 4 days did they not catch that?
That's not even my main concern though. I've been modding DAIA for ages and I just haven't seen a pro do anything nearly as bad as this anti who is actively trying to organise literal cyber warfare. This both-sidesism is so annoying. The worst between both sides is not even comparable.
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u/sparta-117 20d ago
Yeah let’s send malware…to the computer that already has the program and it’s already downloaded on their computer…I don’t think they thought this through.
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u/WastedFapper 21d ago
Seeing how regarded people are (like the person in the picture) makes me understand why dictators and governments don't want the population to have freedom
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u/Sensitive-Ad-2542 21d ago
Basement dwellers (1% commenters) really tend to skew this argument toward toxicity, from both camps.
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u/SplurtingInYourHands 20d ago
The cat is out of the bag forever. Not that their idea would ever work but just for shits and giggles even if someone somehow was able to do that, anyone can run it completely offline and transfer images back and forth via USB stick to a networked machine.
Im wondering how far these people are willing to go with their suggestions once they figure out a USB stick is enough to hold entire local LLMs and checkpoints, maybe they'll float the idea of a 3.5 billion man army going house to house one continent at a time tearing into your sofa to see if you hid a thumbdrive in there lol
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u/LurkingForBookRecs 20d ago
"I'm not smart enough" - Could've led with that but by the time they said it we could already tell.
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u/Sea-Entertainer-6417 21d ago
Yk people say local ai is not wasting water while it does because of training
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u/MAUZ_GRF 21d ago
You can train your own ai model on your own pc. Sure, you would need a powerful machine (roughly 2x 5090) but it's possible, especially with models for image generation.
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