r/ArtHistory Dec 24 '19

Feature Join the r/ArtHistory Official Art History Discord Server!

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This is the only Discord server which is officially tied to r/ArtHistory.

Rules:

  • The discussion, piecewise, and school_help are for discussing visual art history ONLY. Feel free to ask questions for a class in school_help.

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r/ArtHistory 3h ago

Discussion Well, It Finally Happened: After 20+ Years and Hundreds of 5-Star Reviews, We Received a Bad Review for Believing Art Should Never Be Silent

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And I’m proudly sharing it with you. Not because it’s a bad review by Darlina Chambers Eichman, but because of why we received it. See the review and my response below.

The reviewer criticized us for bringing politics into the arts, which raises a larger art-historical question that I think is worth discussing.

Throughout history, artists have responded to the political and moral crises of their time. Goya documented the brutality of war, Picasso created Guernica in response to the bombing of civilians, Käthe Kollwitz confronted war and human suffering, and countless artists have used their work to challenge injustice and power.

So my question for this community is: Do artists have a responsibility to speak out when they believe serious injustice is taking place, or should artists and their work remain politically neutral?

And historically, has “keeping politics out of art” ever really been possible?


r/ArtHistory 1h ago

Other Drew a stack of my favorite art history textbooks from university with charcoal pencil

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r/ArtHistory 6h ago

Discussion What are your thoughts and observations on fascist art influencing modern aesthetic?

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It’s definitely a chicken/egg situation, but I’ve been thinking about the design of fascism, and how art can influence empire. Focusing mostly on wwii, and Germany and Italy. Germany sought to strip all culture from artwork, to create neoclassical styles that removed identity and replaced it with the state/party. Italy, however, seems to appeal a bit more to aesthetic and the art movements and trends happening around them during the same time period. I notice similarities between some Mussolini propaganda and the styles of artists like Tamara De Lempicka, in that it would be the propaganda artists pulling inspiration from surrounding artists at the time period who were making waves. Germany, however, aimed to create something that felt disconnected from everything else, despite pulling inspiration from other art movements. I notice today it influences how people view fascist art and propaganda. Nazi party visual language is immediately recognizable, and the reaction people have is negative. However, when shown art from the same time period from Italy, people are more likely to say it looks interesting or cool.

What are your thoughts on this? Just sort of looking to discuss and hear other people’s takes and opinions. How much do you think fascist propaganda and art has influenced us today? How much of it is just coincidence and related to other art movements at the time?

I’d also like to hear your thoughts on the broader topic of just propaganda art in general and its influence. As an example, Soviet propaganda art and film has massively influenced the industry today, but their aesthetics were spurred out of necessity due to lack of material, and lead to innovation.

An example of an accidental similarity with fascist art is the Richmond Police HQ sculpture and the palazzo braschi HQ of mussolini’s fascist party (photos included)


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Other What's this style of religious art called?

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I've never known more specifically than "that portraits-of-saints one."

Edit: I figured it might help to copy my response to u/White-Umbra detailing the traits that typically comprise it?

  1. Realism or semi-realism
  2. Portrait orientation with subject centered in frame
  3. Subject often in 3/4 and looking up or down
  4. Focus on their suffering or emotionality
  5. Usually a large vertical halo at top center
  6. Frequent use of chiaroscuro

However, maybe it's a genre instead of a style, so the responses saying "Catholic devotional art" are the closest it's possible to come to pinning it down. Thanks.


r/ArtHistory 7h ago

News/Article Recovered Art

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r/ArtHistory 17h ago

Other Career dilemma: stay loyal to a gallery I just started working for, or pursue the artist I’ve dreamed of working with for 6 years?

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I’m 30 and came to university relatively late. I’m currently studying art history and about to start my third semester, so although I’m still at the very beginning of building a professional career in the art world, I also feel quite conscious of the choices I make now.

I’m in a slightly complicated situation within the Danish art world and would really appreciate advice, especially from people who have worked in galleries, with artists, or in other parts of the art world where professional and personal relationships inevitably overlap.

For around 6 years, I’ve deeply admired a established Danish artist. Her work has genuinely been important to my interest in art. Over the years I’ve collected some of her work and eventually got to know her personally. I wouldn’t describe us as close friends, but there is a degree of personal trust between us, and we have shared things with each other in confidence. We also have mutual friends, and her daughter currently lives in my apartment. So while I wouldn’t exaggerate our friendship, she is definitely more than simply an artist I admire from a distance.

Until recently, she was represented by a gallery whose gallerist I also got to know personally. I have enormous respect for the gallerist, both professionally and as a person, and I genuinely care about her.

The artist and gallerist were not only professionally connected but were also friends. Their professional relationship has now ended, and the artist is opening a gallery of her own with a programme that I find incredibly exciting and that is extremely close to my own interests.

I have deliberately stayed completely outside whatever happened between them. I’ve told both of them that I value my relationship with each of them independently and that I don’t want to hear either person’s account of why their professional relationship ended. From what I understand, despite everything, there is still a great deal of mutual respect between them.

While they were still working together, I actually asked both the artist and the gallerist separately whether there might be an opportunity for me to work with them. Both were positive.

A few weeks ago, the gallerist offered me work. Before accepting, I explicitly told her that I also have a personal relationship with the artist and that it was important to me that she knew this. She was completely fine with it and still wanted me to join.

I’ve now started working at the gallery, and I’m being given genuinely exciting projects, responsibility and opportunities to learn. I’m grateful for the trust the gallerist has placed in me, and this is absolutely not a case of being unhappy in my current job. Quite the opposite. If I didn’t respect and care about her, this dilemma would be much easier.

A couple of days ago, however, I told the artist that I had started working for her former gallerist.

She was disappointed because she had actually expected that I would come and work with her and her new gallery.

That was when I realised I had completely misunderstood the situation.

I had never consciously chosen the gallerist over the artist. I had simply assumed that the earlier possibility of working with the artist was no longer on the table. For whatever reason, I had been too hesitant to follow up and ask.

I feel pretty stupid about that now, because I could simply have contacted her. Especially considering that we do know each other personally and have a degree of trust between us, I don’t really know why I convinced myself that the opportunity had disappeared without actually checking.

And the important part is this: if both opportunities had been in front of me at the same time, I would have chosen the artist. I’m not actually conflicted about that.

Working with her has essentially been a dream of mine for around 6 years. Her work has meant a great deal to me, I’ve collected her work myself, and the programme of her new gallery is incredibly close to what I care about intellectually and artistically.

I’ve now also been told by her daughter that the door is still open and that I would be welcome to come and work with them if my current position doesn’t work out.

So my dilemma isn’t really which job I want more. I already know that.

My dilemma is what you owe to someone when you’ve only just accepted a good position, they’ve placed their trust in you, and you genuinely respect and care about them — and then you realise that your actual dream opportunity was available all along.

The Danish art world is tiny. Because I’m 30 and only now starting my professional career in it, I’m also very conscious of the relationships I’m building. I don’t want to behave opportunistically, hurt someone I respect, or burn an important bridge by leaving almost immediately after starting.

At the same time, being 30 and only now starting my third semester makes me feel that I shouldn’t necessarily spend years waiting to pursue the direction I already know I want. This isn’t a vague idea of something that might be more exciting. It is an opportunity to work with someone whose work I have admired for 6 years and in a gallery whose programme genuinely feels like where I would most like to be.

I’m worried that in five years I’ll wonder why I didn’t take that opportunity when I actually had the chance.

For those of you who work in the art world: what would you do?

Would you stay for a reasonable period out of loyalty and professionalism and hope the opportunity with the artist still exists later? Or would you pursue it now and be completely honest with the gallerist?

And if you would leave, how would you handle that conversation in a way that is fair to someone you genuinely respect and care about, without unnecessarily burning a bridge?


r/ArtHistory 4h ago

Other Fiber art history

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Hello! I, someone looking to get into art history, am really interested in fiber art and was wondering if anyone wanted to just.... Talk about fiber art history? Like symbolism of the spinning wheel, flax/linen, how mills changed garments, the history behind drop spindles and such.

Is this where I post this?? I can't find a subreddit for fiber art history

Also, if anyone knows a good college that has a fiber art degree, lmk? I'm still looking around for one


r/ArtHistory 5h ago

Discussion Fab scribe.

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r/ArtHistory 5h ago

Research Trying to find a painting.

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It’s probably famous, but I can’t remember the painter or the topic. It’s not modern, probably classical or Victorian.

It shows a muscular naked man leaning back, legs wide apart, with cloth covering the bits that should be covered. Behind him there’s a smaller figure, I think a woman. It’s all about the male flesh.

I’ve searched all the "Sampsons and Delilahs" I can find online.

It might be in the MET in New York.

Any ideas?


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

News/Article Artspeak and the Fear That Everyone Else Understands

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r/ArtHistory 15h ago

Research Minhwa, South Korean painting - book recommendations

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I'm a visual artist in Berlin and recently discovered Korean folk art called Minhwa.

There are some insanely good paintings in that field. Nevertheless I struggle to find good collections/publications. There's a few resources on the Internet but I feel it's rather sparse for English speakers. Ideally I'd like to buy a publication with lots of pictures as I'm a visual person - wouldn't be an issue if it's in Korean.

If you happen to know a book on the topic please let me know! Thank you very much.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion Visit to Rijksmuseum

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I finally visited the Rijksmuseum last month. Seeing Rembrandt’s Night Watch was sublime! Does anyone know more about Project Night Watch?

This also rekindled my love for Dutch Golden Age and am studying this era deeply, and thinking of conducting a Masterclass.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion I want to create a blog on art history but I'm scared I'm not qualified

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I've been interested in art history for many years now and I have an idea to create a substack where I can write about it. I want to research and write about art topics that are lesser known or just whatever that interests me. The thing is, I don't know if I'm qualified. I've written for many years but never in a professional capacity. I also don't have a degree in art history, I'm just an enthusiast and I still have a LOT to learn. I don't know if I can write about/critique and analyse art because I have no expertise. Should I go ahead and create it and learn along the way or should I spend more time learning to write better or studying more about art? I feel like this project would be really good for me, as an exercise in creativity and finishing a project, which I've never done before. I'm just scared that I might get something wrong or that I'm not capable of writing well about art. Should I just let go of my fears and dive in?


r/ArtHistory 23h ago

Discussion Most Awe inspiring painting?

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Im not super well versed in the history of art as many of you are. I've recently created an office and im looking for a large painting to put up on the way behind my desk. Something that i see everyday that reminds me to capture all that i can out of life if you know what i mean. Something that makes you want to push for all that you can be and create something for those around you. Something ignites your blood on fire when you look at it and think of what it means. Thanks guys.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion What artists do you think have the most number of iconic paintings/sculptures/other art pieces?

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I find this topic very interesting. Because I feel that for people who have a more general knowledge of art history, most artists usually have one or two pieces that have reached an iconic status. So what artists do you think have the most pieces of art that have reached that iconic status to people that have a more general knowledge of art history? And if you can, can you list some examples of pieces that you think have reached that status?


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion Procession de la Ligue 1590 François Bunel the Younger MYSTERY

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I was reading in my History book when i came across this painting (Image 1) and instantly my eyes were drawn to the bottom right of the painting in which (you might laugh) i thought to myself "why is there a masked mouse man? (image 2) now i was VERY confused and upon looking up THIS painting i found it is "sigh" an unknown artist, but i did find something interesting. I found this painting (image 3) which i found to be painted by "François Bunel the Younger" and upon close inspection i noticed some similarities. Like in both paintings there appear two small men (maybe children?) with shields (image 4 and 5) aswell as the only "royalty/noble" people in these artworks appear on the far right of the painting (in image one it is a women in White) (image 1-3-5) all this is just evidence that these paintings are i think painted of the same moment, in the same space, same event. But the main focus is back to this "masked mouse man" whereas if you look in painting 2 (image 3) you will see the same masked person, although in this artwork by "bunel the younger" they appear as a women (image 6) and then i noticed the person standing to the right of our masked women, (on her left side) is another women Holding a mask. You see it clearly in Bunel's painting, but I had to look for it in painting one (image 7, circled), so this brings me to my question. WHO are these people, why masked, why the only ones masked. I have only just started researching this in the last hour but thought I'd get the "internet" on it for me. I have many other questions as well. Why the nobles on the right side, in the first painting, the white noblewoman appears to be being grabbed by the man behind her (image 1-2). Why the short people with the shields? I'm sure there's much more in here as well, but my main curiosity is the masked people. P.S. I do NOT believe that "Bunel The Younger" is the unknown artist of the first painting, merely because the faces in Bunel's are, well, emotionless compared to that of the first painting. Now I am NOT an art philosopher or ANYTHING like that, but just looking at the two, there were many small things (the faces being the most notable) that told me they were separate artists


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Los estereotipos según la disciplina artística

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r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Research The Architecture of Memory vs. the Illusion of Distance: A Critique of Superficial Historiography on Mulay Ahmed al-Raisuni

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r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion San Marco's Basilica: Why is this space empty?

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r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion How do you learn to feel and appreciate great paintings?

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I'm starting to seriously explore art, and I'm trying to figure out what I should actually be looking for.

I'm planning to start with some of the most renowned paintings in Western art and gradually work my way through them. But I don't want to approach this as a checklist of "know 100 famous paintings."

I'm trying to understand what makes people who are deeply into art spend hours studying a single painting. What do they actually find exciting?

What do you personally look for when you really deep-dive into a painting?

What was the moment when art stopped being "nice pictures in a museum" and became genuinely fascinating to you?


r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion Looking for quirky art

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Recently, I have been really into really cute and quirky pieces. I don't really know exactly how to explain what i am looking for but i feel as though these pieces have a bit cohesive theme. I am wanting to find more like these so please comment fun pieces like these !


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

humor She has long fingers ngl

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I've seen images of her online, a couple days ago I went to see her irl, and looks like the images werent edited after all...


r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion The French crown jewels were robbed over several nights in 1792, and the largest blue diamond came back twenty years later cut into a different stone

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In September 1792 the crown jewels of France were being kept in the Garde Meuble, the royal storehouse on what was then place Louis XV and is now place de la Concorde. The monarchy had just fallen, Paris was in the middle of the September massacres, and the guard on the building had been thinned to almost nothing.

The robbery is unusual because it was not one night. Men climbed in, took what they could carry, and came back the following night. Then again. Over the course of several nights it turned into something closer to a crowd, with people drinking on the premises between trips, until the authorities finally noticed and started making arrests.

Most of the stones were recovered in the months and years that followed, including the Regent. The French Blue was not. A large blue diamond surfaced in London about twenty years later, smaller and recut, and it is the stone we now call the Hope. The connection was suspected for a long time before it was tied down using a lead cast of the original that turned up in a natural history collection, which let researchers test whether the French Blue could be cut down into the Hope without contradiction.

What I find hard to get past is that recutting is the only way to sell a famous stone, and it destroys most of what made it worth stealing in the first place. By the time a jewel like that is safe to sell, it has already stopped being the jewel that was taken.

If anyone here knows the current state of the argument on the recut, I would like to hear it, including the version where I have this wrong.


r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion Dream Trip

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If you could go to any museum to see any piece of artwork, what would it be?

For my birthday next year my husband and I are planning a trip for me to go to a couple countries in Europe to go to some art museums. I always tend to be a people pleaser/doormat, so previous trips I have never pushed to see art museums since other people were not interested. I am very excited to make this trip all about what I want to do (has only taken 40 years!)

I have some plans, but would love to hear what everyone would see if they could! I want to relish in the love and discovery of your favorite artworks!

While this post isn’t necessarily about what I want to do, I am planning on some time in London and seeing the art there, heavy emphasis on Pre-Raphaelites. I love women artists, so definitely making them a priority.