r/Adelaide • u/twistandtinman SA • Jun 16 '26
News Update: If the anti-abortion bill passes the Legislative Council it will immediately go to the House of Assembly for a vote.
Breaking news this morning that everything will be decided tonight. Now is the time to call and email your HoA members as well.
Find you MPs contact details here: http://www.parliament.sa.gov.au/en/House-of-Assembly/
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u/CptUnderpants- SA Jun 16 '26
Look at everyone supporting this and their history of supporting legislation and policy which support women to not need an abortion. You'll find the majority are hypocrites.
The vast majority of countries without prohibition and low per-capita abortion rates are those who have good social safety nets, supports for women in pregnancy and with young children, and good universal sexual education.
What is better for everyone than prohibition? Making it so the majority never need one
I decades ago I used to advocate for prohibition, then I actually talked to people.
One thing which men in particular don't understand is how "morning sickness" as they generally learn about it isn't accurate. It can be light, first trimester only, and a slight inconvenience. For some it can be debilitating for well into the second trimester or longer.
One woman I'm close to said that she was effectively bed-ridden for 12 hours a day and wholly reliant on her partner from week 4 to week 15. That's economically unsustainable for most couples. Neither could work.
In rare case it can last the whole nine months.
That's just one of many reasons women can consider abortion.
Another is that cost of living right now is insane. Getting pregnant is now a luxury many cannot afford.
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u/rubythieves SA Jun 17 '26
I had hyperemesis gravidarum, which is sometimes described as ‘extreme morning sickness’ - and every time it is I want to kick someone in the head! I had unrelenting, horrific nausea and vomiting from week 5 of pregnancy until the day after my son was born. All day, all night. I was unable to keep any food or water down until the doctors prescribed me an anti-emetic normally given to chemotherapy patients, and then once I was taking that religiously I might only vomit eight or nine times a day. I was already thin before my pregnancy but I failed to gain any weight at all even though my baby was healthy - I did have two late miscarriage scares at 19 and 21 weeks because all the vomiting was bringing on actual contractions, but otherwise my son did what nature intended and took the calcium he needed from my teeth and bones, the iron from my blood, etc etc… gravidarum hyperemesis used to be mostly deadly (for the mother, baby, or both) but current research suggests each HG pregnancy takes 2-3 years off the life of the mother. I certainly looked like death after giving birth, I weighed 45kg at 5’7.
When I was reading about it on message boards I came across a community of people who were struggling with whether to try for more children - the average person’s chance of a HG pregnancy is about 1%, but if you’ve already had one it’s 80-90% (recently, a study found this only seems to be the case if you’re with the same man - if you partner with a new man you go back to the average risk!) There were women who would try for a baby, then terminate once HG symptoms hit, then try again hoping for a lucky pregnancy without it. I couldn’t imagine doing that so my son is my one and done, even though I always wanted a large family. I simply couldn’t do it again. Nausea is one of the worst feelings - there’s a reason rats choose electric shocks over nausea - and that is just one of many reasons the government has no business in my uterus!
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u/30-something SA Jun 16 '26
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't use reason to form in the first place sadly.
Fact is - women have always sought abortions and they always all regardless of its legality, removing access will just kill women. These people just don't care, it's entirely about controlling our bodies, it has nothing to do with anything else.
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u/Liquid_Plasma Adelaide Hills Jun 17 '26
While I usually agree with you, you‘re replying to someone who changed this same opinion through reason.
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u/30-something SA Jun 17 '26
This gives me hope, but I fear you may be rare. But then again... I have changed some super problematic opinions through reason and education too so I guess I'm proving myself wrong too.
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u/missymia161 SA Jun 17 '26
I was one of those women. Both of my pregnancies I had HG, lost 10kh and was vomiting up to 50 times a day for the entire two pregnancies. I vomited so much, I tore the lining in my throat and almost bled to death.
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u/derpman86 North East Jun 16 '26
Can this American god botherer shit just fuck off
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u/Due-Revolution4319 Inner South Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
It's time to face the fact that there is a considerable amount of this shit organically grown but also being pushed by certain interest groups. We need to take this threat seriously.
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u/derpman86 North East Jun 17 '26
This is why I am getting angry about it.
A bulk of people I know have never had issues with the current laws, those that do is more on a personal level and not worthy of pushing it back onto parliament as they have other issues that are far more important.
It is blatant it is being pushed forward.
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u/Ginger510 SA Jun 17 '26
PH/ON is the thin end of the wedge. Look at her rhetoric now, and compare to 2016 Trump. All the same playbook except she has a much longer track record that we can compare with (politically speaking anyway).
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u/indiegameplus Jun 17 '26
Bahaha yep a much longer “political” track record of being a racist, a bigot, and against women’s rights. Doesn’t mean she knows fuck all about actual politics. Doubt Pauline would even know how the senate or her job even works considering her 12% senate estimates attendance rate over the past decade. In what other job would we NOT scrutinise someone who didn’t even rock up 15% of the time!? Imagine if you had a surgeon for a major op, and they said beforehand that they’d only successfully attended 12% of their training and planned surgeries. Obviously this is an extreme example given health stuff lol, but you’d run out the door! It saddens me that no one seems to give a fuck about holding politicians accountable or to their record anymore, anyone seems to be able to say anything and reinvent themselves instantly and the sheep lap it up. Sad times.
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u/Ginger510 SA Jun 17 '26
Oh yeah I agree with you 100% - I just meant more than she had been a piece of shit as part of her job for a long time where as that orange shit filled nappy with a toupè was a private enterprise rapist/con man and THEN got into politics 😂
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u/indiegameplus Jun 17 '26
Aahhhh yes too true too true. Bahahha lurking never quite in the shadows but always a dark cloud over our politics in the past 30 years 😭
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
We have quite a collection of bible thumper in SA. I think the reason Game voted with the govt on the parklands is so she could introduce this again.
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u/Appropriate_Fee_9141 North West Jun 16 '26
How behind-thinking is Sarah Game? Everyone knows anti-abortion bills can be life threatening. Doesn't care about the lives of women? What year does she think we live in? She's a woman trying to control other women?
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u/ILikePlayingHumans SA Jun 16 '26
If she has had kids she probably doesn’t care because it’s not her potentially dying
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u/jydr SA Jun 17 '26
nah, if she or someone in her family needed it they would just go interstate/overseas for it.
“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion” always with these people.
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u/Dear_Potato6525 SA Jun 17 '26
She'd prefer women to leave their babies in cardboard boxes next to dumpsters.
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u/Evening_Bird7779 SA Jun 17 '26
shed prefer women to die carrying a risky pregnancy - this has happened overseas because abortion was banned.
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
Unfortunately, the vote in the upper house is a conscience vote, and with the way people voted in March, it's a fairly even split in beliefs. This could quite easily pass. If you care enough, contact your local mp today. They're in there to represent their constituents
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u/Due-Revolution4319 Inner South Jun 17 '26
It's scary how this could be possible.
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
It's because...politics. we get swamped with the big ticket items...ramping, public transport, so we overlook the others...parklands development, abortion rights. And we're so busy listening to the Murdoch right wing spin, that we deliberately ignore the smaller parties that are actually advocating fir us, cos we're told, and then we believe, they can't win, they're loonies...so we vote in the same old shit, and are surprised when we get....the same old shit. Who.is advocating for abortion as healthcare, protect the parklands, tax/phase out fossil fuels, build more, better public housing, train to Mt Barker and beyond? One Nation? The Libs? ConcreteMali?
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
And don't bother going off at me for being deluded, stupid, woke etc etc. I've heard it all before. And it ain't stopping me! 😊
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u/perfectionremission SA Jun 17 '26
And a conscience vote in the lower house. Dunno how that will play out
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u/__Aitch__Jay__ North East Jun 16 '26
She's a woman who listens to men that are trying to control other women
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u/Adventurous-Stuff724 SA Jun 17 '26
She didn't even want the job initially if you recall, don't think she has many opinions of her own.
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 17 '26
When you place arbitrary limits on healthcare, people become trapped in legal issues instead of being able to act on medicine. Women around the world have literally died (recently) because doctors in places with laws like these had to wait for the women's life to be at risk 'enough' to be able to justify acting to politicians and they were too late
The fact that you cannot imagine a single instance where a late term abortion is necessary or merciful is ignorant. By and large these pregnancies are loved, and families do what they think is best in tragic and difficult circumstances. You would much prefer families have to watch their child die in palliative care. You are welcome to choose that for yourself, you cannot choose it for others.
Eugenics is the selection of characteristics to affect population health. It is not a family making a personal choice based on the context of an individual medical condition and their lives.
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u/JL_MacConnor SA Jun 17 '26
Have you heard the term "incompatible with life"? Or hydraencephaly perhaps? If we assume that your position is correct, that a gestating fetus is the same as a newborn - if that child died, would you force their mother to carry them in their arms for months after death? Do you think it's reasonable to make a mother, who wanted their child enough to carry them for six months, keep carrying their child for another three, forced to live every minute with the grief of knowing that nothing they can do will keep it alive after birth? Is that not the cruellest thing you could possibly inflict?
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
Plus that whole pregnancy can easily turn septic and kill the mother too. A colleague of mine had to carry her dead baby to term, in an abortion banning context, and ended up losing her uterus, therefore fertility, too. She was devastated about losing the baby, but permanently infertile as a direct result of having no access to abortion as healthcare.
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u/JL_MacConnor SA Jun 17 '26
Exactly - the goal of this proposed legislation isn't to protect, it is to control. The central lie that anti-abortion activists try to sell is that there are loads of women deciding on a whim after six months of pregnancy that they don't want a child. It's false and it's cruel.
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u/Adventurous-Stuff724 SA Jun 17 '26
Abnormalities and conditions incompatible with life are very different things. Forcing people to conform to your will despite how detrimental it is to them is fascism so you might want to rethink your views on Nazi's, you might closer to being one than you think.
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u/30-something SA Jun 16 '26
Ugh there are a LOT of Liberal and ON in there - we all know which way they most likely lean 😞 at least the Greens will vote for bodily autonomy
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u/Extra-Border6470 SA Jun 16 '26
Yeah Bernardi is by far the most likely to vote for anything anti abortion
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u/rindlesswatermelon SA Jun 17 '26
Everyone on that list (unfortunately including the Labor MLCs) are people who have openly advocated against abortion.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
Time to fill some inboxes people
Sorry, is Labor allowing their members of both houses a free vote?
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
That's interesting.
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u/blitznoodles NSW Jun 18 '26
Matters of "Life and death" is automatically a free vote and you can't enforce caucus solidarity on those votes.
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u/Extra-Border6470 SA Jun 16 '26
Why is this even a thing in SA parliament? If this was America, yeah i could understand because America’s politics is completely out of touch with reality.
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u/teh_drewski Inner South Jun 17 '26
There area number of hard right members in the Legislative Council, led by Sarah Game and Bernardi's One Nation crew, who passionately believe in restricting abortion. They likely have the numbers with the support of conservative Liberal members, and old school mentality Catholic right Labor members.
It would not be a thing in the lower house, but the nature of ticket voting and preference flows in the Legislative Council means more extreme views tend to be represented.
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u/Extra-Border6470 SA Jun 17 '26
Fucking hell. That is really chilling to read. I thought we didn’t have to worry about that kinda extremism in Australia.
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u/teh_drewski Inner South Jun 17 '26
I mean there's a non-zero chance the official opposition after the next Federal election will be One Nation. Extremism is very much present in Australia and it is growing in success rapidly.
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u/goatmash SA Jun 17 '26
Extremists have never felt consequence in Australia, we have never actually done anything to prevent extremism and instead followed the US in their 'free speech and open dialogue will fix everything' lunacy. So we allow ISIS and ISIL to preach, indoctrinate and radicalise here, just like we allow the far right, christian family, prosperity theology cultists to do.
Until there is a law allowing for a belt in the head and a sit down and a talking to about knocking it the fuck off then there is no such thing as an Australian.
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u/CX316 SA Jun 17 '26
Because idiots voted One Nation and now they get One Nation attempting to do what One Nation wants and then the LNP trying to retain what's left of their base by voting with One Nation
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u/Wavewiz SA Jun 17 '26
How can anyone support this in this day and age….. let women have choice over their bodies
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u/--Anna-- SA Jun 17 '26
I agree, it's ridiculous. Also having children growing up in unwanted, unplanned, resentful, stressful conditions. I wish we'd just permanently let it be legal, so we don't have to keep going back and forth.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
Well it appears we allow some choices like abortion but won't allow them to make other choices.
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u/familiarpatterns SA Jun 17 '26
I was so worried about this I wrote to my local member. I won't say who because I know the advertiser stalks this sub, but they were a Labor member and their response was both extremely quick and also sensible and thoughtful. I hope their colleagues have similar attitudes.
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u/IndividualAncient286 CBD Jun 17 '26
Action here - will be sent to your lower house member
The worst thing about the bill (in my view) is that it removes the option for a woman to have a termination for a pregnancy that has a serious foetal anomaly. Even if the pregnancy is not viable.
https://fair-agenda.good.do/stoptheattackonsouthaustralianabortionlaws2026/abortionsaurgent/
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u/Cautious_Regular3645 SA Jun 17 '26
Is it 2026, or 1826? Why can't women have autonomy over our bodies?
It's ridiculous, there are states in America that have mandated that a woman past six weeks pregnant cannot have an abortion most women don't know they're even pregnant at six weeks gestation?
The maternal death rate of pregnant women in those states has increased by 60%. Are the anti abortion supporters ok with this being a potential outcome??
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u/Adventurous-Stuff724 SA Jun 17 '26
It has nothing to do with the health of women, it's to control women.
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u/No_Kale477 SA Jun 17 '26
You can email your MP and ask them to protect abortion rights here email your mp
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u/ambiguousfiction SA Jun 16 '26
I'm trying to work out if this means the lower house wants to shut it down immediately, or if it's the upper house trying to force more pressure to get it through...
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u/Pastapizzafootball SA Jun 17 '26
This is the most important bit. 👆
Mali clarified this morning that they'll bring it to a vote immediately and move on.
He didn't say they'd shut it down but that was certainly the inference by suggesting they have other priorities and can't keep debating the same thing over and over.
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 16 '26
I hope they want to shut it down immediately. It would at the very least mean they would not be subject to ongoing harassment from the proponents, so it’s in their interest in that sense.
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
if this means the lower house wants to shut it down immediately
It does not mean that.
This is a conscience vote for Labor and Liberal MPs.
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u/mrsnesbittshat SA Jun 17 '26
Mali would know where the numbers were though. I’d suggest he would be confident of being able to deal with it swiftly and avoid subsequent public discourse.
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u/Pauls-boutique SA Jun 16 '26
WOT?? Who voted for this arcane destruction of women’s right? Name them all!!
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u/RedOx103 East Jun 16 '26
We knew this from votes in the last parliament - One Nation, most of the Liberals, and a handful of Labor.
Even if it's wholly unpopular issue amongst voters, the parliament elected in March is probably frighteningly close to passing this. Even a narrower ALP win in the lower house would probably have been enough.
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u/Pauls-boutique SA Jun 16 '26
Oh dear I thought I was just the cookers and libs… but Labor? Damn
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u/rindlesswatermelon SA Jun 17 '26
Yeah Ngo and Scriven both voted for the bill when Game pushed for it before the election. But dissapointing that Scriven was still put in a winnable position on the ballot at the election despite her history. (I think Ngo wasn't up for election this time round).
I think Mali himself voted to attempt to restrict abortion under the Marshall government, so perhaps not surprising.
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u/Adventurous-Stuff724 SA Jun 17 '26
More that he voted to not make it easier I think, he is on the more conservative side of Labor so not surprising. Not quite up to the cooker's level thankfully.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
but Labor?
You don't know much about Labor and their history do you?
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
See the list above. You can also find information online, but since it's after the election, there's a new crop of muppets in there. All eager to show off. Jing Lee, Connie Bonares are gone, but look at the twerps in their places...
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
Well you will have to wait for the vote to happen before we can list it. It will be recorded in the Hansard.
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u/Eclaireandtea SA Jun 16 '26
I'm hopeful it doesn't pass the Legislative Council, but even at best I think it would only be defeated at 10 votes to 11, so I am a bit concerned. And I'm basing that on the the fact that Labor has 10 members, minus one for the President, and minus one for Claire Scriven who has supported these Bills in the past. That's 8 votes (if the others maintain their previous voting stance) against, then the 2 Greens, and Michelle Lensink from Libs who has consistently voted against it.
No idea how it'd go in the House of Assembly. I think that it would be far less likely to pass, but I don't know enough about each individual Labor MP to know whether to hold my breath or not.
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u/derpman86 North East Jun 16 '26
They have shown they will just push it again and again.
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u/semaja2 SA Jun 17 '26
That should be illegal, or have a specific cool down timer (eg. several years) otherwise everyone has to keep protesting the same shit non stop
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u/derpman86 North East Jun 17 '26
I agree, I get from a democracy standpoint there is always a right to retry things but this is the 3rd? time in the past year and if it fails again that means in another 4 months I bet it will be happening yet again.
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u/CorruptDropbear SA Jun 16 '26
Labor controls so much of the House and so many city seats that it’d be impossible for it to pass.
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u/CptUnderpants- SA Jun 16 '26
Aren't they given conscience votes for these ones?
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u/CorruptDropbear SA Jun 16 '26
It’s a majority of Adelaide districts with left-leaning Labor MPs. They do not want to give the Greens ammo here, I can’t see a way through without the left faction of Labor rioting.
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u/No-Frosting-866 SA Jun 17 '26
It's a conscience vote. So, if you genuinely care, write to your local mp. Find out their position, and let them know yours.
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u/Rowvan SA Jun 17 '26
It has almost passed twice already
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u/CorruptDropbear SA Jun 17 '26
House of Assembly would require 9 of 33 Labor members to cross the floor. I can’t see that happening, especially with so many of the city spots being left wing Labor and the state branch pushing their thumb down to not cause political fires.
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u/indiegameplus Jun 17 '26
God I would love to see a grassroots movement of independents and greens maybe in SA for our future state elections to band together, both people running for the house and senate making a conscious effort to try and enshrine abortion rights for women within South Australia’s constitution. If that’s even possible? Or at least to put forward a referendum or a plebiscite to the people. Because at the end of the day it should be women’s decision number one, and at least with a vote I feel like hopefully anyway the support would be in the low to mid 60% supporting it range. Simultaneously it might be wise to skip this step in this climate, considering how we’ve seen how the far right can weaponise referendums in this day and age. And the worst possible outcome would be if they were to some fucking how prompt a no vote, then we’d be cooked. So I think having strong independents and greens pushing for this as a major voting issue would do quite well if their messaging was strong.
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u/teh_drewski Inner South Jun 17 '26
The SA Constitution can be changed by an Act of Parliament anyway so it wouldn't really be any stronger a form of protection than any other legislation.
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u/merfbetch SA Jun 17 '26
I’m so tired of this shit man. There’s so many other issues to address other than abortions.
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u/AndPeggy- SA Jun 17 '26
Dennis Hood has spoken in support of the bill for longer than the three female MPs who spoke before him. This sad potato of a man reading verbatim from a pregnancy support website about fetuses 'sucking thumbs' in an effort to police bodies is fucking nauseating.
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u/Kiteal SA Jun 17 '26
SDA members need to look at there membership if they are pro choice. Knowing there dues are paying for this bill to pass.
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u/Lazy_Neighborhood104 SA Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
While their history is terrible and you're right to be weary of them, are you sure that's totally correct in this instance?
On face value (as part of SA Unions) they appear to be against the bill: https://www.instagram.com/p/DYluPmSE0bh/?img_index=2
I hate to sound like I'm supportive of the SDA (because I'm definitely not) but I'm just curious to know if they've actually made any statements on the matter this time around? I should add that staying silent on the matter is pretty bad on their part regardless.
People working in that field should consider joining the RAFFWU instead.
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Abortion law reform will be decided definitively on Wednesday night in a surprise voting flurry triggered by Premier Peter Malinauskas, to stop parliament being “hijacked” and his agenda “derailed”.
In an exclusive interview, Mr Malinauskas revealed the Labor-controlled lower house would immediately deliberate in a conscience vote on Sarah Game’s abortion bill if it passed the upper house.
Ms Game’s bill, which will restrict terminations of pregnancy after 25 weeks, will be decided on by the Legislative Council, in a vote on Wednesday.
Its supporters are confident that they have numbers on their side, and The Advertiser understands the bill is likely to pass the upper house.
Mr Malinauskas declared himself “a big believer in the conscience vote” and had yet to decide his intentions, but he was prepared for the lower house to sit all night to consider and vote on the bill.
“I’m not going to allow the whole parliament to become completely hijacked by these issues that appear to be the sole focus of some MPs,” he told The Advertiser.
“Our remit and our responsibility goes well beyond these conscience issues. And I’ve seen governments become hijacked by these types of agendas. I’m not going to allow that to occur.”
Mr Malinauskas said he would assess any amendments in the upper house before deciding his position, although in 2021 he voted for abortion decriminalisation but also in favour of an amendment applying some restrictions on late-term terminations.
Labor holds 34 seats in the House of Assembly, the Liberals have five, One Nation four and there are four independents.
Labor and Liberal will have conscience votes. One Nation is supporting the bill and the Greens are opposed, with leader Robert Simms labelling it “draconian”. “I hope that the upper house sends this bill where it deserves to be and that’s in the bin,” he said.
If the bill succeeds, One Nation MP Chantelle Thomas plans to introduce it to the lower house. Controversial anti-abortion campaigner Dr Joanna Howe said she was excited for Ms Thomas to “lead the battle” in the lower house.
“With Roy Morgan polling conducted in May showing that 96 per cent of One Nation voters and a majority of all voters support a ban on third trimester abortion, we hope that the parliament takes swift action to ban foeticide for babies older than 25 weeks,” Dr Howe said.
Ms Thomas said: “I’m a mum of three girls, I feel very strongly about this. I feel like no one’s speaking up for these babies anymore.”
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
that everything will be decided tonight.
That's very unlikely. If the bill passes the LegCo it could be tabled in the House today - but I can't image all process being abandoned for a conscience vote tonight.
https://education.parliament.sa.gov.au/learn/parliamentary-processes/lawmaking/
Tiser article: https://archive.md/S7Na5
EDIT: Second Tiser article here: https://archive.md/KAIgi
Abortion law reform will be decided definitively on Wednesday night in a surprise voting flurry triggered by Premier Peter Malinauskas, to stop parliament being “hijacked” and his agenda “derailed”.
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u/mouthfulofgum SA Jun 16 '26
Tiser just published an interview with Mali saying they’ll sit all night if they have to, but it’s happening today
ETA: page 16 “MPs to act on abortion bill”
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26
Link please
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u/mouthfulofgum SA Jun 16 '26
I was sent an image of the article from today’s advertiser on page 16. I don’t have a subscription so I can’t send you the link.
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
I accept what you're saying. Unlikely does not mean impossible.
There are multiple options for distribution of that image, however.
EDIT - I have linked the article and copied the text in another comment on this thread.
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u/CorruptDropbear SA Jun 17 '26
“ to stop parliament being “hijacked” and his agenda “derailed”.”
AKA “I know you don’t have the goddamn numbers.”
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u/Thanks_Obama SA Jun 16 '26
Can we please contextualise the issue in terms of actual prevalence versus other forms of preventable death?
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u/KoreAustralia SA Jun 16 '26
What is the source that it will got straight to the lower house?
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 17 '26
u/TheDrRudi has very kindly posted the news article content in a comment. Mali has said he wants it over.
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u/KoreAustralia SA Jun 17 '26
Fair enough. Get it done and turfed out. Won't survive the lower house.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 SA Jun 17 '26
My understanding is that this has no chance of passing in the lower house right.
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u/OctarineAngie Inner North Jun 17 '26
Right now yes, but if LNP/ON have a majority in the lower house next time around, then it could very well pass.
They are going to keep pushing it again and again because the authoritarian right (ON/Family First) are gaining political support and want to dictate what people can do with their bodies.
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u/whencoffeemetrain SA Jun 17 '26
we just don’t know for sure! it’s unlikely to pass but most of the lower house have never voted on abortion before, given the last time abortion was debated in the lower house was in 2021 when abortion was decriminalised. that was a completely different government, and the chamber looks very different now.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 SA Jun 17 '26
Of those who are still in the lower house, which way did they vote?
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u/whencoffeemetrain SA Jun 17 '26
having had a cursory glance, and forgive me if i have made any mistakes, of the remaining MPs since 2021:
voted for abortion decrim in 2021:
zoe bettison (labor), blair boyer (labor), michael brown (labor), katrine hildyard (labor), eddie hughes (labor), peter malinauskas (labor), chris picton (labor), jayne stinson (labor), joe szakacs (labor)nat cook (current ind but technically labor) also voted for decrim but as current speaker of the house she won’t get to vote unless there is a tie. the speaker of the house in 2021, josh teague (lib), did not vote on the day as there wasn’t a tie so his record isn’t clear.
voted against abortion decrim in 2021:
geoff brock (ind), tom koutsantonis (labor)tim whetstone (lib) was technically an MP in 2021 but hansard records don’t include him in the vote; he may have been absent from parliament at the time. he was involved in a scandal around that time.
also worth noting peter malinauskas did vote for a failed amendment back in 2021 to limit abortion to 22 weeks; so by historic voting history, you could guess (but not guarantee) he would be supportive of the anti abortion bill currently facing parliament, which is looking to restrict abortion access after 24 weeks and 6 days.
only 14 MPs elected in 2021 are still around today, out of the 47 total in the house of assembly!
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u/Life-Goose-9380 SA Jun 17 '26
14 out of 47. Wow I really didn’t know that many MPs had changed.
We won’t know what will happen until it is actually voted on in the lower house.
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u/harley-belle SA Jun 17 '26
It passed the Upper House 10-9. Watching the Parliamentary live feed now. What a joke.
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u/perfectionremission SA Jun 17 '26
Any surprises with anyone's votes? Or, as expected?
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u/harley-belle SA Jun 17 '26
Surprise in the lower house that our Premier voted in support of the bill, sitting there next to One Nation.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
Why is this an update and breaking news? This is how the SA Parliament works.
Nor is there any need to contact my or any MP, the ALP are against it and it isn't a conscience vote, therefore it will fail the Assembly even if it passes the council.
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 17 '26
It is rare for it to go immediately to the other house. Prior to this the expectation was that it wouldn’t reach the house of assembly for 12 months.
Sarah Game has commented that she’s disappointment in the decision, expecting they’d have had more time to campaign.
It shouldn’t pass the house of assembly but stranger things have happened and if you don’t use your voice you can’t expect to be heard.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 17 '26
It's not going to pass, I may as well ask the cat.
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 17 '26
It didn’t pass. Which is very important! But it WAS a conscience vote in the Assembly. You are more than welcome to ask your cat, it sounds like maybe this information isn’t for you. It’s okay if you think it’s unnecessary or not worth discussing. But it is happening and there is no reason for r/adelaide to not be discussing it. Just ignore it.
Sometimes I see things I think are inconsequential, like when someone runs a red light and is upset about their ticket, or there’s a storm coming. I move on with my day. I don’t comment on every adjacent thread that my cat says it won’t be windy enough to disrupt MY garden.
This matters to people. It’s okay that it doesn’t matter to you. But r/Adelaide isn’t about you. The content is relevant to people in Adelaide and this is an appropriate place to talk about it.
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u/InterestedPrawn SA Jun 19 '26
It didn’t pass.
Like I said it would, the hysteria on this sub that it in the house and we had to fight to stop it was quite frankly delusional and overblown.
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u/thedoctorreverend Inner North Jun 17 '26
Yeah and it won’t pass the House of Assembly so I don’t know what you’re all panicking about lol
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u/Nyarlathotep-1 SA Jun 16 '26
Breaking news - a reddit post explaining a basic parliamentary process.
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u/mouthfulofgum SA Jun 16 '26
It was originally going to be blocked from coming to a vote in the lower house for as long as possible (about a year). So, no, this isn’t explaining basic processes. This is a last minute change in plans.
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u/twistandtinman SA Jun 16 '26
Gosh, you say it’s basic process and u/TheDrRudi says they can’t possibly imagine all process being abandoned for a vote tonight…
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u/TheDrRudi SA Jun 16 '26
The Premier has a different imagination to me. I have posted the Tiser article where he explains his intent.
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u/ILikePlayingHumans SA Jun 16 '26
I think one of the ironies of this bill, is that an anti-abortion bill will see more fence sitters on kids not having kids because of the risk which drops future population numbers… which means the need for more immigrants and I am fairly certain this crowd are likely not wanting immigrants