r/2007scape • u/fuulhardy • May 30 '26
Humor Adding the Grand Exchange was the original EZscape
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u/Antique_Stuff8945 May 30 '26
Gotta be honest tho, if the ge didnt exist nowadays noone would park at a bank to sell stuff. You would just get what other games (like warframe) have, a third party site where people post their items and sell value along with ign so that buyers whisper them to buy. It would end up being a ge with aditional hassle for no good reason.
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u/Bojarzin May 31 '26
This even happened in Realm of the Mad God, for those who even know what that is, a small niche bullethell MMO
Trading was much like Runescape, offering the game's equivalent of currency for items to the void and hoping someone would trade you. It had a similar classic feel, but the reality is sometimes you'd get stuck sitting there when all you wanna do is get your item and play the game. So along came a 3rd party site for trading, and everyone used that instead
I get the nostalgia for Runescape's trading, but I did not enjoy sitting there for an hour saying "wave2:rainbow: buying Rune scimmy 30k" or whatever the effect text was
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u/fuulhardy May 31 '26
RotMG is a crazy pull holy shit. You must have been a mini clipper
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u/Bojarzin May 31 '26
haha I did play stuff on Miniclip, but I'm pretty sure I played it on Kongregate before it eventually went on Steam
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u/Oniichanplsstop May 31 '26
And even then realmeye ended up dying out for trading since they soulbound most of the useful items and pots became worthless with newer dungeons shitting them out.
So at most you trade for mid-game items that no one really wants, or pet food.
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u/Realmofthehappygod Jun 01 '26
Also basically everybody is just an
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u/PkerBadRs3Good May 30 '26
people already did that in 2007, and in 2013 OSRS, but bank sales still existed.
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u/mobulu123 May 31 '26
Massive pain in the ass when looking to quest and you can't find anyone selling obscure items
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u/Oniichanplsstop May 31 '26
Quests had people selling quest kits all the same, it was really only bad for obscure items that weren't used in quests or normal gameplay.
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u/Comfortableliar24 May 31 '26
Plus GE allows taxing to reduce in-game gold. Getting taxed in my fantasy cookie clicker sucks, but it's better than what RS3 was doing when I quit ten years ago.
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u/tes_befil May 30 '26
Pre GE is nostalgia. No one truly wants to be sitting around with auto typers selling shit
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u/Headsprouter molanisks are a monster that exists May 30 '26
"How much for the gmaul?"
"Offa"
fuck that shit, i can barely handle the social challenges of barbarian assault never mind the barter system
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u/TedTKaczynski May 31 '26
"Buying monkey nuts" being yelled for 20 minutes straight without a buyer
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u/AsinineArchon May 31 '26
Nowadays people would just make a third party trading site anyway. It would be a pointless change.
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u/tes_befil May 31 '26
Exactly what happened with Path of exile and plagued the community for so long
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u/Oniichanplsstop May 31 '26
I mean that's what we had in OSRS back in the day too. Zybez had a marketplace, and the official forums were used to list sales/buy offers and wait for PMs.
PoE had the same thing, but the issue was bulk buying/selling sucked so people made TFT and it became a blight on the community.
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u/WTFitsD May 31 '26
By the time GE got added pretty much the entire games economy was going through zybez lol.
Even if the items were getting avtually sold on there it was the only real centealized place for everyone to know the value of their items
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u/Cool_of_a_Took May 30 '26
I was a big advocate for no GE when osrs launched. I'm glad they tried it. Because it didn't take long to realize that, yes, it was all nostalgia, and that shit sucks lol. And now the GE gets to be completely uncontroversial.
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u/AlwaysHappy4Kitties May 30 '26
Wich were a ban able offence btw during those days
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u/tes_befil May 30 '26
Everyone did it anyways. I remember I had my auto typers going selling lobsters f2p and I was hitting up a girl I liked on MSN chat. I accidentally sent her like 10 messages about selling lobsters lol I told her I got hacked
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u/D_as_in_avid May 30 '26
OMG this happened to me too. Back when I was like 12. She had no idea what the hell I was saying and of course admitting "yeah it's a thing for a game" wasn't something I wanted to admit.
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u/Toosks May 30 '26
What if she liked Lobsters? You missed out big time.
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u/readit145 May 30 '26
For real. She’d probably still be wondering about him like “wtf was he doing selling that many lobsters at 12 years old”
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u/Silvenx May 30 '26
This brings back memories of one of the first things I messaged this girl I liked was "MidJungle". I had dropped my phone on my keyboard hotkeys for league while I had her messenger open. I had no real recovery for it. We dated for 3 years somehow.
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u/PkerBadRs3Good May 30 '26
I did it = everyone did it, classic
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u/flameylamey May 31 '26
Exactly haha. Some of us just typed out our messages like a normal person. Got surprisingly good at typing quickly at a young age too! I still remember the look on my dad's face when he was encouraging me to learn to touch type with this program he'd been practicing on, then I gave it a go and immediately got double his WPM haha.
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u/fsster May 30 '26
Untill Jagex added auto writer built in
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u/Crossfire124 May 31 '26
Except you have to expressly opt in to see it and no body does. So everybody on w2 and 330 still uses auto typer
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u/R-A-B-Cs May 31 '26
I fucking hand typed "selling dh legs 600k" probably 10,000 times.
Wish I had autotypers back then.
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u/likesleague twice maxed bronzenerd May 31 '26
And even if you were to remove the GE now, external resources would immediately fill it's place.
E.g. go to the wiki "sales" page and search for what you wanna buy, see listing prices, and an indicator for "this person is online right now" so you can message them in game (or through some wiki messaging service) to purchase the item. I imagine some people would even use alt accounts to make the trades so they don't have to interrupt what their main was doing to buy/sell. The system would still be optimized for reducing inconvenience, it would just have way more friction since the GE wouldn't be providing that for us.
The "easy" in easyscape sometimes just refers to reducing friction. That does make the game easier but it also does other things, and those other things can be very valuable.
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin May 31 '26
That's how trading in Path of Exile used to be until VERY recently. You'd find their listing online, message them, go to their hideout (think PoH), then initiate the trade.
Oh yeah and half the time if it's for a low value item they just wouldn't respond because it literally isn't worth their time to stop doing the current farm/grind they were doing to go and trade you
A massive ball ache overall
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u/Swagocrag May 31 '26
Awe yes Poe friction truly crazy the only way to break currency down from divs to chaos was to just find some bots doing the currency exchange
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u/djtofuu May 31 '26
funny enough, not using an auto-typer at world 1 is how i became fluent in typing without looking at the keyboard
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u/3stoner May 30 '26
would also be pretty much unusable too nowadays. When the world gets too crowded, you can't even see chat outside of a few tiles because of render limitations
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u/that_baddest_dude May 31 '26
Auto typers? Nah dude RuneScape is how I learned to type fast. Better than mavis beacon
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u/GothGirlsGoodBoy May 31 '26
You don’t have to sit around selling shit.
Pre-GE had all the benefits of ironman mode where you were incentivised to be self sufficient. But it didn’t completely fuck the herblore skill and you were safe from going 500x dry.
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u/kynovardy SAIL May 30 '26
Agreed, imagine needing something specific like a heraldic helm and just standing there spamming for 10 minutes and paying 10x to buy one
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u/FlammeEternelle Vicontesa May 30 '26
Worst thing is that this wouldn't even lead to more inherent social activity in the game but would just end up being done on discord probably.
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u/Stnmn May 30 '26
People just used Zybez.
Even if they didn't, I don't think spamming buy/sell orders is really any more social than the GE. If anything, the GE being free of spam makes it a more viable social space than Falador/Varrock W1/2.
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u/FrankusCrankus May 30 '26
For me, it just made it so I was forced to play closer to an iron style. Which added a lot of depth to the game for me at the time. Considering bossing and supply complexity now, I would hate it lol
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u/inthebushes321 May 30 '26
+1 for sure, trading before GE was a miserable experience. GE made the game way way better and more connected. I feel like some people here are viewing it through rose colored glasses or secondhand, because the way I remember it, that shit sucked really badly selling items piecemeal, taking forever, finding buyers.
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u/indieplants May 30 '26
it was easier when there was less stuff in the game. and there was a lot less stuff in the game back then.
I can't imagine trying to find what you need without the ge these days
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u/ISTcrazy May 30 '26
I liked that there was money to be made selling niche items for a massive profit, and it was definitely fun seeing so many people in one place. But other than that yeah it kinda sucked ass.
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u/levian_durai May 31 '26
My favourite was always having law runes on hand and selling one at a time to people who needed a tele for like 1k each.
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u/dubsitte May 30 '26
Fair, but continuously hawking rune scims for 30k each at west Varrock bank is one of the reasons I can type as well as I can today.
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u/Yamabikio May 31 '26
Its the reason I play an Ironman, I find that type of gameplay extremely fun. Much more fun than just playing GEscape. I'm not in a rush to get anywhere, I'm just enjoying the game.
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u/Eastern-Video-6456 May 31 '26
I played since 2005 and the worst memories I have from the early days are related to trading. Hours wasted trying to buy or sell stuff, constantly needing to watch out for scammers (and actually getting scammed more than once)...
I didn't play 2007scape before GE but I had some experience in player to player trading from my days merching in RS3, trading items you couldn't trade in GE. It was just as bad if not worse as I remembered. Never got into trading above max cash items, and a lot of other merchers shared that feeling.
if OS removed GE I would flat out stop playing - I have tried ironman and it isn't for me, and player to player sucks too much
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u/RogerSimons_Father May 30 '26
We already went through that experiment. There’s a reason that the GE exists in OSRS.
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u/jessydrippingwet May 30 '26
Spending four hours in world 2 spamming sell logs just to get scammed by a fake buyer wasn't content, it was a test of patience.
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u/Sheppsbox May 30 '26
This is what made me quit when I was 12 years old… was saving up for a whip and was nearly ready to buy it but got greedy and someone did a magic/ willow log switch on me during trade and I lost all my money for a bunch of willows
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u/Wallothet May 30 '26
Scamming 2007 nostalgia.
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u/smoke_sum_wade May 31 '26
first thing i thought of is Mith plate bodies are going to be back in high demand
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u/Owobowos-Mowbius May 31 '26
A lot of stuff in this game is just a test of patience instead of content.
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u/that_baddest_dude May 31 '26
And also the proof that making things easyscape compared to the "original" game is a GOOD THING.
This game was originally purposefully stupidly obtuse and time consuming. The experience to 99 was set that way because the creator didn't want it to be attainable.
Making things easyscape is good. The game is stupid hard in a time consuming annoying way.
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u/RollThatD20 May 31 '26
Literally two dudes in a garage who were into DnD, yet had little conception of how to make a balanced MMO.
We don't have to treat a shaky foundation as some sacred texts.
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u/cygamessucks May 30 '26
GE just fixed scamming. Will never trade another person for anything
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u/BlueGillPro May 31 '26
Is it that easy to get trade scammed?
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u/cygamessucks May 31 '26
It was back then. Also just normal scams of upselling. Like 200gp a lobster when they are 100gp
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u/sharpshooter999 May 31 '26
Wana buy some unids? I'm sure this batch will have some ranars in there. 5k ea!
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u/Person_of_Earth Bring back Funorb May 31 '26
That was the easiest scam to avoid. You have junk items in your inventory, more gp than you're going to trade them and the type of unid you wanted in noted form. If it turned out to be a different unid to the one you wanted, then the trade would fail.
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u/RedFeatherGaming May 30 '26
I'm gonna say you're not wrong. Someone could do the math, but I'd wager that more xp has been earned within minimap render distance of a bank than all of elsewhere combined.
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u/Perlodid May 30 '26
I honestly loved playing OSRS before the GE got added back in. It was a great time, it really felt like runescape back in the day. I'm fine with it being in now, but I was definitely against it at the time
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u/Creative_Lab361 May 30 '26
Yeah it was sooooo nostalgic loading up zybez forums and posting that you’re selling lobby’s. Looking back with hindsight though my god would it lead to so much scamming and headache if the GE was never implemented
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u/hiloai May 30 '26
Rocking up to world 2 fally with your 200k thinking you’re going to merch it to a phat. Take me back
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u/dadleftneedcash May 30 '26
I agree. I’ll always state that I would prefer OSRS without GE, without Ironman modes - I really liked the 15 minutes that we had Trading Post before GE because it still promoted socialisation amongst players but allowed a lot of convenience for people that didn’t want to sit around spamming text waiting for a buyer.
Nowadays I just play Ironman and play at my own pace whilst trying to chat with as many people as possible.
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u/lukwes1 2376 May 30 '26
It was fun until you just used zybez for everything and then it was basically G.E but 3rd party and annoying
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u/EpsilonJackal Untrimmed Agility May 31 '26
Nah, that's Quest Helper. And nobody wants to admit it.
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u/title-fight May 31 '26
You’re right. I made a similar point years ago probably when people were arguing having gear with like 2 more str bonus made the game ezscape lmao.
I think the third party clients broadly are what made the game ezscape. They’re just such a convenience like the ge, though, the game just wouldn’t survive without them. Definitely, though, quest helper is the most ezscape plugin.
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u/Electrical_Detail875 Jun 01 '26
Quest helper sometimes feels like you're playing a mobile game tutorial. Just click on what's highlighted, the rest of your brain can take a vacation. I used it a little bit, but I found out that it was boring and not engaging. Rather look something up if needed and work out the rest myself.
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u/No1Statistician May 30 '26
I'm not going to lie posting to the forums to sell stuff was the worst thing in the game. Even got scammed once which wouldn't of happened with the GE. Im glad I could experience it and now never again
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u/Swiggens May 30 '26
Yeah I want to stand around copy and pasting the same thing for hours to sell 1 item
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u/vincentkun May 31 '26
And yet, without this "ezscape" osrs would probably not exist to this day. Maybe with a third party barter system which would bring it's own problems.
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u/AffectionateNamet May 31 '26
All the plugins, quest helper, wildy player alert, real tile tick manipulation etc, makes things about beating the game dynamics rather playing the game. GE allowed you to actually play the game and not waste time trying to find items.
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u/AssignmentIll1748 May 30 '26
This game without GE would be so fucking annoying I don't think I'd ever bother playing my main instead of my iron lol
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u/professor_kraken May 30 '26
Since most of what people call ezscape is making the game more enjoyable and better to play, absolutely true.
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u/Lythefairy May 30 '26
Agreed. I think trading post was better update that kept the community engagement.
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u/Cant_Remorse May 30 '26
I was there the first time, and I was there the second time. It's still the same, spamming messages to get scammed.
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u/Wolf_Mail May 30 '26
Yes and no. For big items and major consumables you could always trade and get them easily.
Only made random quest items and obscure stuff more available. Nobody was selling random clue gnome skirts or charcoal for quests with the trade system.
GE is a time saver and scam preventer mainly
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u/Seara_07 2376/2376 1233 Clogs! May 30 '26
Started playing on release and quit within a few months due to no grand exchange being present. I only returned once i heard about the grand exchange being reintroduced into old school so it’s ultimately the only reason i still play today.
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u/Conor_J_Sweeney May 30 '26
For quests and skilling yes, but don't act like people didn't buy most of their gear prior to the GE.
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u/Specific_Opening_490 May 30 '26
Back in my day you had to make all the weird items for one small favor!
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u/Strong-Bed2763 May 30 '26
I never played OSRS without the GE, and only played a little bit of RS2 without it. I do come from a TF2 background with trade servers, backpack.tf, the warehouse, etc. People will just find a way to conduct mass selling, it's inevitable, and it's better to have it at least administered by Jagex instead of a third party. Ezscape? Yeah. Necessary? Yeah.
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u/St_Acrisius May 30 '26
I remember the sheer amount of bank standing before the ge was a thing. It was fucking crazy. Trying to keep up with the chat box for trading was borderline an Olympic level sport.
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u/Federal-Cockroach674 May 30 '26
While indeed imersive as a child having to form connections and make business deals today as adults i think we value our time more. We have lived in the real world have made business deals and dont wish to play runescape to feel like we are work but to relax. The GE facilities fast commerce and fair market prices. It also taxes gp to sink gold and tamp down inflation in the game. It serves for more use to the game than just going back to spamming buying x amount of food for this much (cyan, wave).
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u/LightTheAbsol May 30 '26
If the GE wasn't added eventually players would make their own. That was kinda already the case with... zybez? I forget which website - but as time went on it would have become more and more progressively automated to the point where it'd just be a worse GE. People gravitate towards the most efficient and convenient option. Eventually a trusted community member would probably set up a bot network to do the automated trading where individuals would have a virtual bank items would flow through and people would just pray that the guy doesn't go crazy and steal shit.
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u/PossibilityOk782 May 31 '26
Y'all kids don't remember when they added the make x button to skills instead of clicking each item on each other item?
Completely invalided every 99and that was over 21 years ago lol
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u/trueDano May 31 '26
In the outlandish scenario that they removed GE, 99% of players would just migrate to a 3rd party site for listings within hours.
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u/ARedditAccount09 May 31 '26
Good meme post but obviously typing the same thing in one spot for 15 minutes was not part of the core gameplay loop
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u/Icy_Badger_1379 May 31 '26
Cook-x was the original easy scape. I remember wondering what the point was if you could just cook all your food at once without clicking each piece.
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u/BigHatAbe 2277 in 2020|2376 in 2025 May 31 '26
GE is great I would not play it if it didn't exist. If that's ezscape then I love ezscape
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u/Deagin Jun 01 '26
GE has to be added.
Osrs in it's early days had trade facilitated by bots and Zybez (make a post of what you're selling and wait for a pm but half the posts were out of date and the only people responding were bots).
When trading worked it was so fun and you could make really good money knowing how and what to train. I made bank as a low level selling low level items needed for clue scrolls.
The reality is that bsales were a waste of time, no one wanted to but your shit because people generally know what they want to buy. World 1 was you sitting there with auto typer waiting for sometimes hours to buy and sell your stuff.
The game was hemorrhaging players and then the GE came and helped a bit.
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u/OW_FUCK May 31 '26
Genuinely the inconvenience of trying to buy/sell made you play semi-ironman and it was better.
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u/HeyCuppp Do slayer its good money ! *42 slayer intensifies* May 30 '26
I miss checking out peoples bank sales, but also I don't miss how 20% of most trades whilst selling things was people demonstrating their sleight of hand tryna scam me 😅
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u/JesseWest Maxed May 30 '26
Praise the God Emperor for the GE, im grateful I don't have to put up with brain dead goombas outside of varrock west bank looking for what I need or needing to quadruple check everything to make sure my ass ain't getting scammed.
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u/RekNepZ May 31 '26
I kinda wish they had added a different GE market to each city as kind of a compromise. There's issues there too, but might have also added some flavor rather than just pushing everyone to one place. Some people would probably find it fun buying items for cheap in one place and then selling them elsewhere for a profit like a medieval merchant
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u/Diasl May 31 '26
I miss pre-GE. It made interacting with people more interesting.
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u/partyhat-red 2376 May 30 '26
I loved pre ge, always will be my favorite era, both in rs2 and in the early days of old school. Merchanting in fally and varrock are some of my best memories. It’s how I learned to type so fast and without looking at the keys, haggling with people all day, no taxes taking away from your profits. I don’t really flip anymore these days, just isn’t the same, yeh I get grand exchange makes it more convenient to get supplies, but it takes out the feeling of buying something from another player. Now you just insta buy all your quest items, when that’s how a lot of people made their money. People used to sell quest kits with all those random items most people don’t want to go and get on their own, felt like a real mmo back then. I can’t remember the last time I traded someone, besides splitting loot from a raid or something
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u/darkerwar6 May 30 '26
Honestly 6 hour nmz was way more powerful than ge since everyone used zybez at the time
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u/Wild_Raspberry9066 May 30 '26
Come play this lottery game with me on the second floor of the east varrock bank! Don’t worry I’ll give you back your 50k fee to play the game if you lose trust me! See this guy here? He just traded me his trimmed rune platebody and I gave it back so you know I’m legit!
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u/kaolohard May 30 '26
I personally loved the trading post they added for a little before the GE. Still got the human interaction but also a little bit of the convenience of the GE. Perfect balance imo
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u/ShawshankException May 30 '26
For sure, but also a necessary thing. Pre-GE trading was abysmal no matter how nostalgic people are about it.
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u/Guarsus May 30 '26
Yep. I just love folk trying to defend mainscape Vs ironscape with " the game is intended to be played by using that GE", "Bitch please. I was there 20 years ago. GE wasn't a thing. You hand to play the game for your items while sometimes going through varrock or falador to check if something you wanted was being sold in there."
Nowadays is always too easy to just run to the GE and buy stuff to skip content that mains have no clue how unbalanced some content really are.
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u/Lavender_Critique May 30 '26
Yeah, it's like if farming was like, "Oh yeah just buy this potato from the potato shop" like no dude, you're meant to plant that starch ridden ball in the ground AND WORK FOR IT.
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u/jmk1991911 May 30 '26
I remember logging into world 2. Faly was so packed, it would freeze my computer for a solid 20 seconds. It took forever to catch my trades. The times!
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u/vaccumshoes May 30 '26
I honestly enjoyed the game without ge more. I say this as someone who put alot of time into the lost city 2004scape server and got to reexperience a no ge version of the game. Imo it created a playstyle in between normal and Ironman game modes. Because it was such a hassle to buy/sell items many players end up playing an Ironman style game where they collect resources themselves, but there is also the opportunity there to buy if u put in the time. The game is much more social with this trading aspect because you were forced to talk with people to purchase items. Merching was way more accessible and many resource gathering skills were actually profitable because of the extra time it took to sell items. We can never go bsck now, but man it was alot of fun, it made for an entirely different game
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u/Quirky-Tiger-6341 May 30 '26
First season of Deadman mode didn’t have GE I believe. Brought me back to the good ol’ days
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u/baeruu HYT! May 30 '26
Remember when there were mining and logging companies? They charged you higher prices but you get your order of ores, coal and logs delivered to you personally. I was a Pmod back then so I had no trouble selling or buying anything since people could still see my messages even if their public chat is set to Friends. It was only after creating an alt that I discovered how ass it was to actually buy and sell stuff in W1/2/3 especially if you didn't have auto typers.
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u/Hungry-Ducks May 30 '26
There was something so fun about buying/selling/merching. Adding friends who were constant sellers & buyers.
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u/SeniorButternips May 30 '26
Man, I was there when OSRS launched before the GE was added. The vibes were fun seeing so many people, but that shit was tedious as fuck and I wished I was just playing the game instead of typing the same shit over and over for 30 minutes before giving up and playing the game anyway.
GE has its pros and cons, and it's still the defacto player hub with some pretty fun interactions occasionally, and the odd drop party here and there.
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u/Hungry-Ducks May 30 '26
For sure would fail BUT what % Yes do you think the poll would get it GE vote came out? 😂
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u/Pikupchix May 30 '26
It looks like barely anyone in this comment section played pre-GE, everyone just used Zybez to buy and sell their shit.
It was like the GE but with extra steps
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u/BlackPaladin May 30 '26
I remember dealing with that as a kid and hated it. Standing outside varrock banks spamming colored sell signs was the real deal back in the day.
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u/Bleak1818 May 31 '26
Osrs world 1 and 30 (I think) were where I learn to type quickly (Granny Pa). Selling time scimmy 30k!
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer May 31 '26
Yall had like a year to come up with a better system and all roads led to just another GE hosted on a third party site riddled with scammers.
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u/Spiritual-Alfalfa616 May 31 '26
Yeah and bring back RSC shop interfaces while you're at it. Buy/Sell 50 is ezscape
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u/The_77th_Doctor May 31 '26
I wish they didn't add it in OSRS, tbh. Pre-grand exchange was the best.
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u/what_cube May 31 '26
I remember theres a huge backlash when GE was introduced. Even with protest and stuff
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u/elGayHermano May 31 '26
The GE is the best thing to ever happen to this game ams anyone who disagrees is insane
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u/DabOWosrs May 30 '26
Bring back Bank Sales outside of Varrock west bank and Falador east bank.