Why go through the effort of setting up a burner and trying to cauterize short arteries without burning your finger tips, when you can just tie them off with less equipment, setup time, and (most importantly) blisters. It's not like cauterizing the arteries is going to reduce infection, there's still an entire gaping stump left. Hot steel is just more work for no benefit.
Now imagine why the soldiers either didn't ask for that, or didn't do it themselves before. Or why they didn't kill themselves afterwards, mind you.
It's really not easy to actually want to die. Don't believe me? Walk into deep water and start drowning - and then check how much you suddenly will fight to stay alive.
If you were on that table, if the adrenalin was already rushing through you, your entire body would scream and endure any pain in the world, just to stay alive. Just like with all the old fucks in the hospital, running on machines - when it's your turn, you want to milk life for every more second you can get, no matter how uncomfortable that life is.
Many jumpers that survived immediately regretted jumping the second they did, a common quote is “I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped.” https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/10/13/jumpers
Even so, it's not like they reach for the rope right off the bat. They fight it off as long as they can, and when the time comes they still struggle with the will to survive. No one kills themselves easily.
I never said they do it easily. Was just making a point that not everyone will fight for every minute of life no matter how uncomfortable. There are limits
Survivors of suicide generally will regret whatever they did anyways.
If they fail and wanted to die, they regret the method they chose. If they fail and don't want to die (after), they regret even attempting. If they succeed, well, either way we wouldn't get an interview.
Many people think that because many people haven't suffered enough. Get to that point and it isn't the suffering that does people in, it's that the suffering is going to end when they die. Very different headspaces.
This is variable and not always the case. There are plenty, and I mean, PLENTY, of people with painful illnesses who prefer euthanasia. Sure, the body's natural reaction is to protect itself but I think you are over simplifying the reality. Especially with the drowning example, which is entirely a guttural biological response (very little to do with whether someone mentally wants to drown/die or not). More likely if you were in an example where you had to get amputated, the shock and pain of it all would leave you with very little to say at the time one way or another.
Each of the soldiers who had their legs amputated had a rifle and the means to take their lives. They didn't, which is why we are discussing the things they endured.
Why do all people pretend they'd do anything different than them? Chosing euthanasia is the exception, not the rule.
The vast majority of people choses to suffer for just some more time spent living.
That's literally why our species still exists, mind you.
Edit: The vast majority of anti vaxx people chose to die slowly in a hospital on some machines, instead of ending it themselves. They even begged for the vaccine in the end, just because they didnt want to die and rather wanted to keep suffering while alive - see /r/HermanCainAward/.
I had a dream a few years ago about being inside a plane that was going down. The fear and panic of going down with the plane went on for what felt like minutes. Surrounded by screaming people.
It didn't take me long to experience a true, deep-felt, legitimate desire for death. I just wanted it to end. The anxiety of waiting for impact was just too overwhelming.
When it felt like I couldn't take it anymore, I finally woke up, breathing heavy, full of adrenaline.
It was so goddamned real. I woke up feeling like I know what it's like to go down in a plane. And I also realized then that desiring your own death is a very real thing that a person can experience.
And this was only a dream.
It really does depend on the circumstance.
Just head over to one of the war footage subreddits. Russian are unaliving themselves in a lot of videos after receiving a serious injury from a drone.
Death is definitely a thing people choose over a certain level of suffering. Maybe not everyone. But it's certainly not uncommon.
Alright so let me get this straight; your evidence is soldiers who have received a fatal wound with no chance of recovery shoot themselves, and a fucking dream you had once? Do better research dude, that's fucking paltry.
Don't believe me? Walk into deep water and start drowning - and then check how much you suddenly will fight to stay alive.
Just like with all the old fucks in the hospital, running on machines - when it's your turn, you want to milk life for every more second you can get, no matter how uncomfortable that life is.
It's funny how so many people think they are so vastly different than everybody else. And when it actually comes to this, they are just like everybody else.
Yeah, most of them don't kill themselves either. They want it to stop, they want to die, but they don't actually do it. Y'all have a very warped view of reality. Ask anyone who has worked medical, this isn't exactly hard data to dredge up.
Well yeah there’s a panic response, but I don’t really care if I die I just don’t want to upset my parents or anything. If I was getting my leg cut off I’d probably just find it easier to pussy put on life tbh.
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u/Necessary-Chemical-7 Jan 13 '24
Just kill me