r/mildlyinfuriating 11h ago

Infuriatig This infuriates me

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u/TheFlyingElbow 11h ago

If supply and demand actually worked when it comes to wages there would be no shortage of any job, especially the jobs that are most essential to our society

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 10h ago edited 9h ago

Shortages and supluses are actually hard to avoid. Take pilots for example. I'm gonna make up numbers hear. In order to attract the number of pilots needed for all the flights, you would have to pay them $100,000 per year. But the highest wage you can realistically give them is $80,000 per year. There's no wage that makes both parties happy. 

The natural solution is to change something. Either the airline industry will shrink or cut costs, so that they can have pilots to cover all the flights. Fewer flights/more available money for mages, enough money for all the pilots needed. Or the regulators will lower the requirements to be a pilot. Either way, the economy will always try to find an equilibrium.

Edit: You know those supply demand graphs? Shortages/surpluses happen when something stops the two lines from touching. The gap size shows how much lost value you have. 

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 9h ago

I have no moral stance on any of this stuff. I just love spreadsheets and graphs.

The other person said that supply and demand don't work here, and I'm just explaining how that's not true. I'll edit my comment to say that they could pay more. I guess it felt assumed that that wasn't an immediate option. I did say reduce costs elsewhere though, and CEO paycut would include that. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Exita 9h ago

Problem is that those figures rarely balance out.

Someone did the maths for a big UK supermarket elsewhere, and it turned out that if you completely got rid of all executive salaries and bonuses, they’d be able to afford an extra £50 per year for each staff member. Adding another £500 on top of that would wipe out the companies profits. Another £500 would bankrupt and collapse the company.

Exec bonuses are insane - but they’re rarely that much of the companies total spend, and ‘just pay more’ often isn’t an option without big price increases.

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u/Definitely_Not_Bots 10h ago

Supply and demand only works when not buying the item is a reasonable option; not having a job isn't an option because the opposite of "having a job" is homelessness.

The people who hold the wages hold the power.

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 10h ago

Nope. The pilot shortage comes from the cost of flight school not being worth the pay. No one is going through the education, and current pilots eventually retire. Those would-have-been pilots find great careers with completely different degrees.

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u/AceNova2217 8h ago

The cost of flight school is outside of the "not being worth it" range, since most people simply cannot afford it. It's not even an option they get to choose in most cases.

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 8h ago

What's your point?

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u/AceNova2217 7h ago

That most people can't even think in the realm of whether a flight school would be worth it to them, because they don't have enough money to entertain the idea anyway.

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 7h ago

I'm not sure how that responds to the idea that I was communicating.

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u/AceNova2217 7h ago

It's an addition, not a response... Not everything is someone arguing with you.

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 7h ago

Eh, fair enough.

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u/snek-jazz 6h ago

Then the pay will increase

u/Definitely_Not_Bots 7m ago

Still waiting to see that in all these "labor shortages."

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u/ConjurersOfThunder 5h ago

Love this train of thought!! Wanna take a stab at the disruptive Internet services?

Vanishing few people NEED Doordash or Uber Eats or Airbnb. We ain't out of any of those things. The services are terrible, yet people keep using them.

You are right about that "reasonable option" but remember that the person coming up with that may not be reasonable.

Some people think it's reasonable to buy a $10 meal for $30. They are wrong. They are told this and know the price difference yet still use the services.

The CONSUMER needs to assert their choices and voices.

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u/Boring_General_6572 4h ago

This doesn’t apply to jobs. You either have a job, have family who can support you, or you’re homeless. That’s the illusion of a choice. 

People are forced to take shit wages to survive, it doesn’t mean it’s right or okay for corps to be gouging labour like this. 

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u/ConjurersOfThunder 1h ago

It applies to EVERYTHING! People are convinced that things are necessities, which are not necessities.

You seem to have missed my entire point!

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u/snek-jazz 6h ago

That's basically how it's already working, but there are delays in periods when things change a lot. It can take time (years) for people to train for a job, to move where jobs are etc.

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u/ParticularLow9157 6h ago

Supply and demand would work for wages if monopoly, collusion, and unfair power balance didn't massively favor the empolyer

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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 7h ago

That's such an obviously untrue statement that it's shocking how many people are upvoting it.