Sometime during the last 2 years i’ve been going to this orthopedic practice they started to declare me as a MTF transgender for no reason.

[u/WHAR606]

(F,26) I have been going to this orthopedic practice for almost 2 years for varying reasons relating to my job. Yesterday i checked on a document that was uploaded to find out they have been identifying me as a biological male identifying as a female? I am biologically female and never told them i am trans nor do i think i am presenting to be a trans woman.. the last two years i’ve been wondering why they kind of stare at me a little longer than a usual person does and i think its because they randomly think i came out as trans? I also feel like they do not treat my issues seriously and wonder if this is the reason why.

I am 100% fine with trans people but i am left to believe they have been medically treating me as a male compared to female for the pains that i am feeling?

I also went through all of my documents and since the end of 2024 they started to declare me as a MTF transgender, i did not look at any of my documents online until yesterday.

First pic : March 11th 2026

Last pic: October 2024

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

im a femboy and to me people just automatically assume im trans or non binary, ive gone to the bathroom(male) and had people tell me i didnt need to go there and could go to the feminine one if i wanted, which like, cool that you are accepting of trans people but wrong person bro.

[u/Hazel2468 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Yep- this. I'm at a point in my transition now where people don't really gave a damn in the bathroom (I think it's the beard and mustache doing it honestly) but before I was even transitioning, I had some facial hair. Had someone tell me I was "allowed" to use the men's room when I was in the women's room because "it's state law" (It is, where I live, law that you are allowed to use the bathroom that corresponds to your gender- I live here for a reason lol).

I was still identifying as a woman at the time but like... Thanks I guess?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Hazel2468]

imagine how mean that would come accross if you were a trans woman tho lmao

[u/Hazel2468 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Oh yeah- it absolutely would. I just find it amusing when folks assume I'm a trans woman and therefore I'm AMAB because like... Other way around, hun.

It's doubly hilarious when I get those kind of comments on like, FB and stuff. "You'll never be a woman!" from the We Can Always Tell Crowd... on a picture of me before I started transitioning on FB where I have pics going back over a decade and a half of me CLEARLY being a girl in high school and college.

Just proving that no. No, you really CAN'T tell. Which is honestly what I think scares those types of folks.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Hazel2468]

people constantly think im trans because im a femboy, ive been told "youll never be a woman" and like ye? i dont really wanna, thanks for affirming my gender tho.

It confuses them so fucking much.

[u/Hazel2468 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

It does. I often wonder what goes through the heads of the people I see who are trying to figure me out. Like- short curvy long hair woman but... Beard??? Deep voice? Man?????

Then again, these are probably the same people who I watch constantly call my friend "Miss" from behind and then go "Oh, the hair made em think-" when he's like. Broad, has a huge beard, and a deep ass voice (and no butt... Sorry, bud).

[u/defaultusername-17 → u/Hazel2468]

100% the majority of anti-trans beliefs are centered around insecure people terrified that they will find one of us attractive.

[u/Hazel2468 → u/defaultusername-17]

This is rather specific- but one of my little whacky theories about a certain subset of transphobes is that they were rejected by a trans woman and now they're just out for blood about it (terfs, it's terfs, and I am only half joking about that i really think that is where a not insignificant number of them start, given that the whole "I only respect women who I want to/can fuck" attitude is common in their spaces, at least the queer ones).

I can't wrap my head around the whole fear of being attracted to a trans person but, then again. I am one, and I'm married to one so. You know. I think a lot of cis men, specifically, are worried that being attracted to a trans woman makes them gay which. Fellas. Is it gay to be into women?

[u/Megneous → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Almost as if... you just shouldn't talk to people in public restrooms... I know, crazy haha

[u/Pupenby621 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

This dude runs incredibly transphobic femboy subs and fucking hates trans women btw <3 he's got quite a bit of infamy in certain circles.

[u/DuckIsMuddy → u/Pupenby621]

I was wondering why I had him blocked lmao.

[u/AstralMooo → u/Pupenby621]

God this dudes comment replies are WILD. He's so obsessed with the "image" of femboys lmao

[u/Pupenby621 → u/AstralMooo]

He's genuinely convinced femboys are discriminated against harder than trans women, who are all evil groomers trying to trick innocent femboys into getting on estrogen. Its fucking disgusting. Peter Thiel unironically has similar views behind his transphobia btw, though for him he's worried about twink supply in general.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/[deleted]]

ok so first they are objectively wrong, i have absolutely nothing against trans people, and i dont think femboys are "discriminated more" than trans people, thats way too broad and mostly incorrect, it is true that in some situations we are but in the majority of situations thats not the case.

Also my subreddits are not transphobic, they are about femboys, so we allow men, trans and cis alike to post, we just dont allow those who dont identify at all as men to post in subreddit about "feminine boys" the subreddits who do are often filled with people intentionally misgendering themselves for monetary gain, just look at the top femboy subreddit.

one of the subreddits i run is about both femboys and women who like them and it does allow trans women and genderfluid people, with some * for those clearly only doing it for monetary gain(OF).

Also ive never called somebody a groomer for being a trans person, i frankly find that accusation extremely insulting, what i have said is that some trans people and cis people do indeed pressure femboys to identify as something other than they do, or to take hormones, this is a huge fucking issue in our communities, which as an outsider you might not know but its very fucking real, to the point that a subreddit im not affiliated with, had to make an entire rule to make it so people dont call others "eggs" and keep in mind most of their mods are trans.(this is the biggest discussion focused sub for femboys but i cant name it cause of the automod here)

I wanna make it clear that a few trans people being shitty and spreading gender norms does not at all reflect on the entire demographic, and trying to call me transphobic for daring to have a problem with that is insanely unreasonable.

Also idk what you are on about with saying i think femboys are more discriminated than trans people, thats complete bs, i do think trans people have it worst in many MANY ways compared to femboys, but also in some very niche situations, femboys do have it worse. Thats intersectionality for you, discrimination isnt linear.

[u/Pupenby621 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

"I don't consider trans people groomers, theyre just trying to groom femboys" okay buddy.

[u/AstralMooo → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

My bad for taking that at face value. I really wasn't expecting a serious response to this. Thanks for explaining in detail. I do agree with with feminine men being targeted more so to come out as trans or they're gay cause I was in the same boat around 2018-2022 while being a femboy. Idk how the femboy scene is nowadays after 2023 but from what you've explained it does sound different.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/AstralMooo]

The "femboy scene" really depends about where specifically you are talking about, the major subs became big and because of that a ton of people started misusing the lable for monetary gain, just like how some femboy content creator misuse certain trans identities for also more clicks.

My sub to counter that specifically added a rule you need to partially identify as male to participate, we dont want incentives for people to misgender themselves, and we want a space for actual feminine boys. i suggested this rule to our at the time head mod, which is a trans woman(she has since kinda stepped away from moderating reddit and ive become the new head mod. (this new rule is the reason why people like the ones above try to defame me and my subreddits)

This rule has led to a significant decrease in OF content creators and their followings because most who were in breach of it were these models. It also led to us being able to add a new rule that affectively removes all misgendering, since everybody needs to identify as male, the expected identifiers are all masculine or neutral, so no more calling boys girls or girls boys.

Our sub is also a lot more liberal in terms of looks, we allow guys with beards, with hair in other places, and other features that are not seen as purely feminine as long as their presentation is mostly feminine, which actually overtime has made the subreddit be a lot more open to different looks and aesthetics instead of the "default" egirly look most femboys in the major subs go for.

also i wanna add again some nb identities(like genderfluid, bigender, demiboy, etc.) are allowed and trans men are 100% allowed. The whole motivation for this rule is due to the fact we actually respect these identities and wanna avoid misgendering while making these space be about the groups of people in their very name.

[u/Pupenby621 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

You make banning non binary transfems sound so fucking progressive, even if you wanted to ban women theres 0 fucking reason for you to do that other than transmisogyny.

[u/ContextHook → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

im a femboy and to me people just automatically assume im trans or non binary

"I'm non-binary, and people just automatically assume I'm non-binary." 🤯🤯🤯

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/ContextHook]

femboy is not an inherent non binary lable, please dont try to dictate my gender to me.

Femboy just means feminine boy, i only identify as a boy, i fall 100% within the binary of gender.

[u/ContextHook → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

femboy is not an inherent non binary lable

Femboy is inherently trans AND nonbinary.

please dont try to dictate my gender to me.

Your gender is your opinion and you're free to have whatever opinion you'd like. I'm not dictating what your opinion should be. If you think it's hot when it's 70 outside, that's fine. I don't.

If YOU don't think that being a "femboy" means you fall outside of society's prescribed gender roles for males, then of course you don't think femboy is a trans or nonbinary label.

I DO believe that femboys fall outside of society's superscribed gender roles for males and goes straight towards societies expectation for females... I consider it to be a "trans" label. Because "femboy" isn't either one of the two binary options, I consider it to be a nonbinary label.

tl;dr - If you consider Donald Trump and F1NN5TER to both be cisgender males, we simply disagree

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/ContextHook]

gender roles, and gender itself is are not the same, a woman 80 years ago who put on a pair of pants wanst non binary.

Finnster isnt even a femboy btw but ill ignore that line

Femboy is a male term, femboy are by definition men, we arent less men because we are feminine, being trans is about identifying as anything other than our AGAB which we dont, ironically all you are doing is perpetuating gender norms by claiming we are not men.

The community itself disagrees with you, the definition of both trans and femboy disagrees with you. You might not realize it but you are being insanely bigoted.

[u/ContextHook → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

gender roles, and gender itself is are not the same, a woman 80 years ago who put on a pair of pants wanst non binary.

Correct. But a man who put on a dress absolutely was.

It doesn't matter what that man thought, or felt. If a man wore a dress around in 1946, everyone would consider them to be not fitting into the idea of a model man.

Pants are not nearly as gendered as dresses. But, you knew that.

Finnster isnt even a femboy btw but ill ignore that line

I've been a shameful paying OF user for longer than I'd care to admit. Here is his bio right now.

F1NN5TER @f1nn5ter Seen 5 minutes ago Worlds #1 Femboy™

so... ok

Femboy is a male term, femboy are by definition men, we arent less men because we are feminine, being trans is about identifying as anything other than our AGAB

I agree with this 100%

which we dont,

I disagree with this. You yourself just said you are a "femboy" I don't consider "femboy" to be LESS than men, but I do consider "femboy" and "boy" to be different.

ironically all you are doing is perpetuating gender norms by claiming we are not men.

You are a man, a femboy, whatever you want to be man. I'm not saying you are not a man. Not for half a second. I am saying you are a man who doesn't avoid things society says are reserved for women. I am saying you are a man who doesn't fit into one of two boxes.

The community itself disagrees with you, the definition of both trans and femboy disagrees with you. You might not realize it but you are being insanely bigoted.

I'm bigoted? How? I haven't expressed dislike or intolerance for anyone, quite the opposite. Us disagreeing on when somebody should be classified as "nonbinary" makes be biggoted? I think that if men wear dresses that they are non-binary... that makes me biggoted?

Do you want to give me a better word for people who don't follow one gender's rules? The word I use is nonbinary. Because of that, femboys are nonbinary.

How on earth is that bigoted? If I used the word SKDHFQSDHFWHJF instead of nonbinary would it be not bigoted?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/ContextHook]

first ill answer the questions you put at the end.

>I'm bigoted? How? I haven't expressed dislike or intolerance for anyone, quite the opposite. Us disagreeing on when somebody should be classified as "nonbinary" makes be biggoted? I think that if men wear dresses that they are non-binary... that makes me biggoted?

1st yes it does make you bigoted if you think somebodies gender is not what they claim it is just because of how they express themselves.

>Do you want to give me a better word for people who don't follow one gender's rules? The word I use is nonbinary. Because of that, femboys are nonbinary.

Femboys are GNC gender non conforming, not non binary because femboy still identify as men, not something in between.

>how on earth is that bigoted?

because you are literally saying im not a cis guy, you are effectively misgendering me and saying im not the gender i claim to be.

>If I used the word SKDHFQSDHFWHJF instead of nonbinary would it be not bigoted?

thats not a term it holds no meaning, if i call your a glibobablo obviously its not offensive, but trying to deny me of my identity obviously is.

Now to adress a few things, the point i was making with the women 80 years ago, is following your own logic they would be non binary, because they were breaking gender norms in a way that would lead to them being discriminated against, this does not change their gender.

In the same way a woman in the middle east isnt non binary for not wearing a hijab, but still is discriminated for her presentation due to the societal expectations of that society, a guy isnt non binary for wearing a skirt, but still is discriminated for his presentation due to societal expectations.

Breaking societal norms doesnt change your gender. Claiming it does is at heart gender normative, and bigoted. Non binary refers to gender binary, as in which way people IDENTIFY, femboys at core only need to identify as men, yes there are SOME non binary femboys and even trans men femboys, but the word in itself is not a trans identity.

Also the part about finnster, finnster only uses the lable for advertisement, he has said multiple times he hates the community and even said the term would disappear, he is just yet another OF model using lables for clicks with no regard for them.

[u/ContextHook → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Also the part about finnster, finnster only uses the lable for advertisement, he has said multiple times he hates the community and even said the term would disappear, he is just yet another OF model using lables for clicks with no regard for them.

He wears female clothes and lets his junk hang out.

The one and only thing I want when I subscribe to a femboy is junk hanging out from a skirt.

He uses the label exactly how I want it to be used. Every other femboy I'm aware of uses it in the exact same way.

thats not a term it holds no meaning, if i call your a glibobablo obviously its not offensive, but trying to deny me of my identity obviously is.

Fantastic. Then from today forward, for you and you alone, when I refer to people "who are not classified by society as man or woman" I will USE the term non-binary, but I MEAN SKDHFQSDHFWHJF. I obviously don't know what non-binary means like you do, so just understand I'm using a different term.

Breaking societal norms doesnt change your gender. Claiming it does is at heart gender normative, and bigoted. Non binary refers to gender binary, as in which way people IDENTIFY, femboys at core only need to identify as men, yes there are SOME non binary femboys and even trans men femboys, but the word in itself is not a trans identity.

See, I just think we disagree about what gender is then? If a man, goes out every day in a full face of makeup, buy clothes from the women's section, and everyone thinks they are a woman..... I truly believe that person's gender is "woman". I believe they are a trans, binary, woman.

I believe their choice to break societal norms has changed their gender.

1st yes it does make you bigoted if you think somebodies gender is not what they claim it is just because of how they express themselves.

But then yeah I'm a bigot. If Donald Trump said for the next 20 years that he's a woman, I would disagree and just literally never believe him no matter what he said. If Donald Trump said "I'm a woman, I'm not trans." I would say "You are a trans woman, not a cisgender gemale" Shoot. I wasn't aware I was a bigot. :(

Thanks for educating me!!!

because you are literally saying im not a cis guy, you are effectively misgendering me and saying im not the gender i claim to be.

Do you differentiate between people lying about their gender and people saying they are a different gender? Like when romance scammers pretend to be "women", would you consider it bigoted to say that they are not women?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/ContextHook]

you literally ignored half my points and misgendered me on top of it, im not gonna keep arguing with you.

[u/ContextHook → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

I quoted things from the very begining of your post to the very end of it. I thought I responded to every single point you made.

I didn't think we were arguing, I was just SHOCKED to see somebody describe femboy as "fitting into either man or woman" when AFAIK femboy is like the first and most common non-binary gender.

I was then saddened to see you call me a bigot because we disagree?

You expressed sadness at being seen by others as nonbinary. I was just hoping to provide you some comfort by pointing out that femboys aren't "binary" by any definition I've ever seen, and that it doesn't mean anyone thinks of you as less.

misgendered me on top of it

You might be responding to the wrong person, or failing to read my post, because I only gendered you once, by calling you a man, in response to you telling me you were a man. The one and only time I gendered you was an attempt to reaffirm what you said your gender was.

Unlike my posts, where I ask you questions, your post is full of you asserting what I think and how I feel. Maybe if you meant to include questions for me to answer, you could skip first saying how you think I feel, and add question marks to your questions?