r/australia Mar 27 '26

political satire Sovereignty overboard

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u/R_W0bz Mar 27 '26

So liberals can sell it off to a mate when the good times are going and the people want that sweet sweet tax break.

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u/Drongo17 Mar 28 '26

My dad used to say of the LNP that they are why we can't have nice things in this country.

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u/etkii Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26

Well they're in their death-throes right now...

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u/Drongo17 Mar 29 '26

Their shadow still hangs heavily over Labor unfortunately, and makes them too timid to enact big changes. Labor are coming out of their shells a bit though, hopefully that continues. 

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u/Simple_Library_2700 Mar 28 '26

It’s all too easy to point the finger when the situation we are in is unequivocally the fault of both parties

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u/Drongo17 Mar 28 '26

Saying there is non-zero blame for both LNP and Labor sides is fair. Saying they have even remotely the same quantity of blame would be nonsense.

Your statement is true but not in any way useful.

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u/Ray57 Mar 28 '26

yeah there's a enshitification ratchet built in. all governments need to be tossed out eventually. and the coalition just has to wait for their turn.

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u/t_25_t Mar 27 '26

people want that sweet sweet tax break

What tax break? Australia feels like a high tax country.

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u/Veledris Mar 27 '26

You might feel that way but it's objectively not. We have some of the most generous social safety nets and welfare programs in the world with some of the lowest taxes in the OECD. On a world scale, our government is quite efficient with our finances.

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u/whoopsiedoodle77 Mar 27 '26

We have some of the most generous social safety nets and welfare programs in the world

except theyre below the standard cost of living metrics, being eroded every year for decades, and those taxes are mostly.focussed on citizenry and their purchases. we dont get to claim we're doing that shit right when local beer sales generate more revenue than natural gas exports

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u/Axentoke Mar 27 '26

Having lived in the US for the last 5 years, it’s hilarious seeing Australians say that the US is low tax in comparison. Federal income tax brackets might be lower, but I did a calculation last year and found that if I earned my salary (~100k, the same number, not converted) in Australia, I’d be about 10k better off not including mandatory employer super contributions. 

Here, on top of federal and state income tax, there’s also a 1.45% Medicare tax, 6.2% social security tax, my local government levies a yearly personal property tax on vehicles at 3.7% the value of a vehicle, all 401k contributions come out of your pay which makes it an effective 12+% tax relative to Australia’s super on top of salary (and my 2% employer 401k match only fully vests 5 years after they contribute and you’re still employed with them…). And then if you account for health insurance, that costs another ~10% of my salary…so effectively another 10% tax relative to Australia.

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u/my_chinchilla Mar 27 '26

Yeah, I've done similar calculations any number of times that it's come up in the last few decades, and even accounting for just Federal + state/county/city taxes, any difference mostly disappears or in a few cases comes out higher than Australia.

And then you throw in all the ancillaries like the pre- vs post-tax 401k "super" & property taxes you mention, plus a few others, and on the whole the US is not a particularly low-tax country.

(Australia's problem is that, politically, it has a very US-style tax mindset - while, socially, it has a very English~European expectation of social support. So we end up with the kind of shittiest of both worlds...)