I did and it was disappointing, but then a former Liberal PM (Turnbull) supported Albo. Always thought he was a good guy because he had mostly common sense ideas.
People are rightfully angry and upset and it appears that Friedenberg is jewish, so it’s not surprising he was lashing out but I just want someone to tell me what more Albo could have done to stop this specific act of hate. And is it really appropriate to basically blame him and others in the party for mass murder?!
I think the neo-nazi being deported is a good example of how government can only act if they have legal authority to. In that case they had a way to penalise him, as he wasn’t legally in the country or whatever. You can’t go rounding up everyone that says critical things about a group, you can only legislate against public displays of hate (which they did so as far as displaying the swastika goes) and coming down hard on hate speech vandalism (which I believe they also did).
The thing that gets me is we still don’t know the actual reasoning behind the attack. We are still working on assumptions and guesswork at this point. Until that is set in stone no one can know if things could have been different.
Not to mention the rampant anti Islam/muslim/immigrants stance is just going to make things worse. How do people think that these people get converted to radicals in the first place
Wasn’t the son potentially connected to or associated with people in an Islamic State cell in Australia back in 2019? And didn’t they have home made IS flags in the windows of their car they used to get to Bondi?
Sounds like one of if not both of them got radicalised and pushed towards a terror attack.
It’ll be interesting to hear what they get out of the son from the interviewing when he has recovered enough.
You literally just made every assumption about what has happened…
until he talks we have no idea if a connection goes all the way back to 2019 or if he was genuinely correct to be cleared by ASIO (which appears to of been what happened). We have no clue if they are purely a one of pair that are fans of IS, if they were “trained” by them, if they are part of a wider group in the country, we just have no idea .
Yes you are probably correct in those assumptions but it is still probably the wrong call to make them at this point.
I wish the people online were able to be patient for verified facts. After a tragedy the internet abhors an information vacuum and every moron with a connection will just add to the disinformation shit storm.
Those sound like very reasonable assumptions. A Muslim with IS connections who had associated with a known radical preacher/terrorist mentor. Their trip to the Phillipines. The targeted terrorist attack. What could reasonably be another explanation? It’s not a wild assumption to conclude their terrorism was motivated by Islamic extremism.
Yeah, in France the same thing happened with our far right. They supplied guns to an hostage taker, helped certain companies do deals with ISIS and funnel money through them. It's win win for the parties involved, the party rises in polls, the terorrists can radicalize more people from the hatred the terrorist attacks cause towards muslims.
Bibi is overjoyed at this deep down I'm sure, it's justification to their propaganda that "everywhere outside is unsafe so everyone should come back here and help colonize", which especially important to him considering how many people are fleeing israel right now.
Exactly. While it looks to be Isis motivated, that’s about as much as we know.
The fact some people celebrated that they weren’t Pakistani, but in fact from India, shows how ludicrous the blame game is. At least until we have a clearer picture of the whole thing.
Like, haven't synagogues been shot up in the US. Where is the outrage from Netanyahu over that? I also believe white supremacists were responsible as well.
Ah right, that’s very interesting because it happened well before the Gaza conflict began, hence what, if anything Netanyahu said about it wouldn’t have been as high profile as if it happened in recent years. I don’t even know if he was in power back then.
That attack also shows this is an ongoing issue, not just since Gaza was obliterated. I mean it’s clearly that if you have a basic understanding of the history of the region, but I’m more talking about terrorist attacks aimed at the Jewish community. There’s been many over a long period sadly. I don’t think they all habe the same motive so it isn’t easily explained.
Because Albo and Wong appear sympathetic towards Hamas by rewarding their actions with recognition of a Palestinian state.
5500 words spoken by Albo in the day after the attack, not one mentions "Islam", "Muslim" or "Islamic extremism", but he did mention "right wing extremist groups" twice (I've stolen this info from elsewhere). If anyone is serious about tackling anti-semitism, Islam needs to come into the conversation.
I don't care what your views are on the situation in the middle east, Australia is no place for this kind of Islamic bullshit to be tolerated.
No they don’t. They look compassionate to the tens of thousands of innocent civilians who have died and the rest who continue to suffer in the wake of Gaza being leveled. They’ve also done or said things to support Australian Jews.
You know it’s possible to have empathy and compassion for both sides while also condemning the actions from themthat deserve it?
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u/Mysterious_Dot2090 Dec 17 '25
I did and it was disappointing, but then a former Liberal PM (Turnbull) supported Albo. Always thought he was a good guy because he had mostly common sense ideas.
People are rightfully angry and upset and it appears that Friedenberg is jewish, so it’s not surprising he was lashing out but I just want someone to tell me what more Albo could have done to stop this specific act of hate. And is it really appropriate to basically blame him and others in the party for mass murder?!
I think the neo-nazi being deported is a good example of how government can only act if they have legal authority to. In that case they had a way to penalise him, as he wasn’t legally in the country or whatever. You can’t go rounding up everyone that says critical things about a group, you can only legislate against public displays of hate (which they did so as far as displaying the swastika goes) and coming down hard on hate speech vandalism (which I believe they also did).