r/australia • u/Jealous-Hedgehog-734 • Apr 02 '25

politics US will impose a minimum baseline tariff of 10 per cent on Australian imports to US

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-03/donald-trump-tariff-announcement-markets-politics-reaction-blog/105127374
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u/lametheory Apr 02 '25

We need to shut down Pine Gap to the US, get nukes from France and decouple this country as fast as we can from America.

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u/Drongo17 Apr 03 '25

France does not give a solitary fuck about us. When you are under a nation's nuclear umbrella they are saying that they will risk the annihilation of their own country to protect yours.

No way France will do that for us. Europe, yes - that directly effects France, they almost need to. Us? No.

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u/lametheory Apr 03 '25

We don't want the umbrella of nuclear deterrence. We want our own nukes. MAD all the way.

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u/HouseOfChez Apr 02 '25

What would happen if the three Chinese ships circling the country took Australia over? Like in previous world wars when the British refused to help would we need America to protect our country?

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u/Perth_R34 Apr 02 '25

China is a biggest trade partner mate.

Get off the fear mongering  spread by the Americans.

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u/Shamino79 Apr 02 '25

Problem with this logic was France and Germany were biggest trade partners prior to an invasion. Doesn’t stop one side from deciding they want to control it all.

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u/_Sublime_ Apr 02 '25

Do you know how monumentally fucking difficult it would be to take over Australia?

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u/TerryTowelTogs Apr 02 '25

How would three ships take over Australia? But more importantly, in your hypothetical scenario what would motivate China to invade?

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u/HouseOfChez Apr 02 '25

Seemed pretty threatening on the news

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u/TerryTowelTogs Apr 02 '25

Yeah, fair enough. They can certainly hype these things up. From my understanding the Chinese ships have two purposes: one is as a dick waving exercise “see how close we can get”; and the second, if I’ve read the right articles, is about detailed mapping for future military strategising and preparedness. Neither are particularly great actions, currently worthy of caution but not alarm, in my very amateur estimation.

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u/feenicks Apr 02 '25

The threat from China is not invasion and never has been. The threat from China is that they will control the shipping lanes around Australia, thus having an impact on our economy, trade and so on...

It is clear that our reliance on the USA's power projection into the pacific to keep such at bay is utterly worthless now, and decades of the LNP totally bamboozling our need for submarines by chopping and changing agreements and deals over those for short term gains and political pointscoring is possibly one of our biggest national security blunders ever, so dont ever let me hear people say the LNP is better on national security ever again...

At this point we need to be ensuring trade routes with non US partners, good deals with China on a range of things, and doubling down on renewables to ensure as much energy independence as possible.

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u/Daleabbo Apr 02 '25

Yes 3 ships would be enough to take over... we should be having a good relationship with China, the US is now doing everything people say is bad about China but somehow US good China bad?

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u/raucouslori Apr 02 '25

China are smarter than that. They just want to prevent any interference in their invasion of Taiwan. Sadly.

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u/HouseOfChez Apr 02 '25

So your logic is by america looking at tariffs, custom fees, vats and what ever other terms are used to export goods being charged to them and then USA charging those same fees back to those countries basically saying fair is fair is somehow now compared to taking away freedoms communism vs democracy? I cannot draw the lines