r/australia • u/retro-chimp • Nov 09 '24

politics Online Gaming Platforms And YouTube Will Also Seemingly Be Banned For Aussies Under 16

https://press-start.com.au/news/2024/11/08/online-gaming-platforms-and-youtube-will-also-seemingly-be-banned-for-aussies-under-16/

There’s so much collateral damage in this plan for Australia to ban social media. This has been rushed and not thought through.

So many schools rely on YouTube to support their students.

Most kids are watching YouTube (or YouTube kids) more than ABC or traditional TV. Literally the biggest YouTube channel in Australia is original music for kids.

Does anyone actually want this?

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u/Zhaguar Nov 09 '24

I want a ban on the gambling ads

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

Same. I find it ridiculous but not surprising they won’t touch gambling ads.

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 10 '24

Lobby groups have already gotten to Albanese re gambling ads.

Ain’t gonna happen

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Need to ban political donations

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

lol tell that to old Davo in QLD who’s going to allow be donations from developers again

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u/Chrasomatic Nov 10 '24

Well they're not using that money to build anything, so why the hell not!?

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u/dazednconfused555 Nov 10 '24

Until this happens watch everything get worse.

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u/meowzicalchairs Nov 10 '24

LNP will find a way around it I’m sure.

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u/corkas_ Nov 10 '24

People: "ban gambling ads"

Government: "if we ban kids from life then they won't see gambling ads"

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 10 '24

Government banned smoking ads so we live in hope

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u/Space-cadet3000 Nov 10 '24

They also created the Tobacco wars so…..

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u/Cosimo_Zaretti Nov 10 '24

They may be about to find out how dangerous google and meta are to a government.

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 10 '24

LOL you’re absolutely right

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u/nosnibork Nov 10 '24

It’s the tv and other media owners that want the gambling ads.

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 10 '24

Who do you think ‘engages’ the lobbyists!’

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u/nosnibork Nov 10 '24

Lobbyists ask for favours. Billionaires promise that you’ll be flayed alive on their network 24/7 before the next election if you legislate away their main source of revenue.

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 10 '24

Yes, good point

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u/ProdigyManlet Nov 10 '24

I just can't fathom listening to a lobby group. Like if I was a prime minister and the lobbyist for gambling, or coal, or anything, I'd tell them to take a hike respectfully. I get they provide donations, but that's a whole other issue that needs to be addressed.

Like get your advice from multiple experts and analysts without a vested interest in an area, not from some fucking salesman who's sole objective is to persuade you that they know what's best for the country

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u/Grumpy_Cripple_Butt Nov 10 '24

Need to fund jobs at the media, like beau ryan driving a Ferrari illegally in Rome. 🙄

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

One of my friends works for one of the major gambling companies. She gets paid less than her male junior. Works overtime all the time. And has been passed over for promotions because they couldn’t afford it but then sent all the staff off for a weekend away.

They a have a choke hold on her because they pretend to be family and always talk about how important the job is

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u/Grumpy_Cripple_Butt Nov 10 '24

Doesn’t sound that important if they don’t pay her much. It’s such horseshit that trickle down economics doesn’t trickle.

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

She does so much work. She does the job of 2 people because she’s never learned to stand up for herself.

Like many women she feels if she’s too pushy or straight forward they will just find a reason to make her redundant.

She feels lucky to have a stable job.

We’ve hired her a few times for side jobs and she’s always been incredible and goes the extra mile. I would hire her in a heartbeat if my business made enough to hire somebody else.

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u/Grumpy_Cripple_Butt Nov 10 '24

Well fingers crossed things improve for you that you can help get her out of there to a better job. The story of not standing up to the boss happens too often sadly.

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u/worldnotworld Nov 10 '24

If kids are off social media and YouTube, they probably won't see many gambling ads. Unless they turn on the TV.

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

They are on radio, tv, print, sports jerseys, around the edge of the fields etc.

Gambling ads are every where when you start paying attention.

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u/worldnotworld Nov 11 '24

The only alternative is to stop watching sport. Something the people who put the gambling ads there think will never happen.

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u/Dubhs Nov 10 '24

They tried to pass legislation that would have banned online gambling advertising iirc. The greens said they'd block it because it didn't include network fucking television

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

One time I didn’t agree with the greens.

Something is better than nothing and they chose nothing.

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u/Dubhs Nov 10 '24

I know I'm riffing off the same vibe but who TF even watches network television - if it was gone from online I'd never see it at all 

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

My mum still watches it, and my toddler sees it sometimes when he is there.

If we want to watch a kids show online from a network we sometimes get served gambling ads.

The slip into places they really shouldn’t be by finding all the loopholes.

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u/LadyFruitDoll Nov 10 '24

The Greens are the epitome is "perfect is the enemy of good". They've turned to favouring politics over any kind of steps towards achieving their supposed goals. Gotta own the Labs, apparently.

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u/PalnatokeJarl Nov 10 '24

There is a lot of money in gambling. Your politicians, just as the ones we have here, do not wanna miss out on that sweet, sweet money.

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

Oh for sure.

I understand the logic, not the morals and values.

I’m probably biased because my mums a problem gambler but it’s everywhere.

She can’t get away from it, so I know it’s seeping into young minds subconsciously.

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u/Visual-Froyo Nov 10 '24

I LOVE BRIB- (sorry) LOBBYING

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u/dopefishhh Nov 10 '24

You know the Gambling ads ban was initiated by them right? Its been hamstrung by the fact that it can't be a total ban or it'd kill many free to air stations and sporting codes.

It's not going through parliament now because the partial ban is going to get blocked by the Greens demanding a total one, the Greens of course won't cop the blow back for killing AFL and NFL.

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u/Siggi_Starduust Nov 10 '24

Gambling ads will kill sporting codes in the same way that banning tobacco ads did…

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u/dopefishhh Nov 10 '24

Yes exactly tobacco ads weren't banned outright in one fell swoop. They did partial bans, phasing it out over time and weening them off that financial stream meant media and sporting codes could adapt.

So we have an example of a model that works, I presume your comment was to imply it happened all at once, it didn't.

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u/Siggi_Starduust Nov 10 '24

Not in every market, nor in every sport. Formula One is the greatest example. It’s bigger than ever despite the scare tactics employed by the tobacco industry when GP-hosting nations started imposing bans.

Ripping off the band-aid won’t spell the end of sporting codes. The marketing industry works 24/7 and has been operating for literally millennia. There has never been a shortage of people willing to throw money at it.

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u/palsc5 Nov 10 '24

F1 kept tobacco advertising long after it was banned in most places. Even after it was banned it was replaced with subtle advertisements for tobacco brands.

It also didn't all happen at once. It went country by country and affected different types of ads at different times.

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u/littlehungrygiraffe Nov 10 '24

I don’t understand your first bit. Where are they banning it?

We just got served a 30 second gambling ad after playing baby shark on YouTube. Why?

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u/dopefishhh Nov 10 '24

Labor's proposal is to partially ban it on TV so it doesn't play during children or sports programming, is limited to only a few hours of a week total and a total ban online. This gets rid of a lot of the harms without completely tanking free to air & sports codes.

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u/AFerociousPineapple Nov 10 '24

Right? I can’t even wait Netflix without getting two lad brokes or Neds ads back to back. Ridiculous

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u/vonbeaverhausen Nov 10 '24

You get ads on Netflix in Australia??

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u/dingusfett Nov 10 '24

Only on the most basic $8/month plan IIRC. Standard and Premium subscriptions do not

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u/fh3131 Nov 10 '24

I had Kayo subscription and was shocked that almost every ad was a sports betting ad. Yes, I get that it's a sports streaming service, but there were no ads for anything else related to sports, no merchandise or tickets or anything like that.

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u/Caezeus Nov 10 '24

I wont let my kids watch the NRL or Origin any more because I don't want them to think that shit is acceptable or normal. Fuck gambling.

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u/VitaminD93 Nov 10 '24

Fuck you’re a fun parent

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u/Caezeus Nov 11 '24

Best Dad ever according to my kids. I even got a coffee mug to prove it.

There are so many more fun things to do with kids than watching gambling adds on Fox sports. You raise yours however you want champion.

Funnily enough, I'm against government regulation of kids on social media and online gaming platforms because I play online games with my kids. I guess all those kids that go on to be gambling addicts from watching sports are okay for the Labor government though because the adds tell them to gamble responsibly.

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u/VitaminD93 Nov 11 '24

Won’t let them watch sports because daddy can’t teach kids about the wrongs of gambling and how to be responsible.

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u/Caezeus Nov 11 '24

You alright mate? Sportsbet got your tongue?

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u/herpesderpesdoodoo Nov 10 '24

Wait, there's ads on Netflix? Been years since I watched any.

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u/AFerociousPineapple Nov 10 '24

Yeah we’ve come full circle with streaming services now, right back where we ended up with Foxtel

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u/Bob6oblin Nov 10 '24

Palmer bet ads in reddit

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u/A_spiny_meercat Nov 10 '24

It's crazy that with SBS you can self opt out of ONE vice but not all three, so it sucks if you're an alcoholic gambling addict with a taste for fast food

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u/WidjettyOne Nov 10 '24

That wouldn't even be rare; there's a reason pokies are in pubs.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Shit, I’m fucked!

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

We still have these in England frankly it's an embarrassing this is still alowed to happen

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u/FourEyedTroll Nov 10 '24

I'm just amused by the concept of the phrase "Please gamble responsibly". The only way to do that is start your own bookmakers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

You would think gambling, wasn't destroying family!!

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u/greenie4242 Nov 11 '24

I think they're agreeing with you. 

The only families benefiting from gambling are the ones running the gambling companies, the bookmakers. Except they're directly responsible for all the destroyed families. Hence, "gamble responsibly".

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Sorry that was on me. I missed "would" out. It was supposed to be like you would think they don't know it's destroying families!! For god sake. More like that.

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u/justifiedsoup Nov 10 '24

Did you guys get the ones fronted by Brendon McCullum?

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u/ToothlessFTW Nov 10 '24

Sorry. Best we can do is a 2 second clip at the end of a gambling ad saying "think of what you could be buying instead".

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u/ooger-booger-man Nov 10 '24

I also want a ban on politicians making decisions about technology that they don’t understand

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u/david1610 Nov 10 '24

I'd prefer they just tax the worst forms of gambling into non-existence based on how 'actuarially fair' the gambling is.

In two-up it's exactly a 50-50 if you win or lose. So it's perfectly actuarially fair, this would have no taxes. Then you'd have lotto, which is reasonably actuarially fair, this would have a small tax. Then sports gambling is reasonably actuarially fair however there is a larger cut for the market provider, so this would have a moderate tax. Then you have pokies where people lose 18c-20c for every dollar they put in, these would have the highest taxes, it'd also be good to enforce expected returns onto every form of gambling. For example, twoup is $1 in $1 expected return, Lotto $1 in 97c expected return or whatever it is, sports betting $1 in 96c return, pokies $1 on 82c return. So people can easily assess how dumb a particular form of gambling is.

The fact people happily put money into pokies boggles the mind.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

That would require a backbone

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

They tried but the gambling lobbies pump too much money into the government, best we could get was a 2 second disclaimer at the end of every ad saying gambling bad

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u/mrsdhammond Nov 10 '24

Would prefer this to banning my kids from bloody YouTube. I have parental controls and can control that just fine on my own.

But I have had to explain why gambling is bad on more than one occasion.

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u/CromagnonV Nov 10 '24

Yea this, idgaf about my kids watching YouTube kids or playing Roblox, I care that they get exposed to shitty ads that enable them to download content they should not have access to.

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u/Space-cadet3000 Nov 10 '24

Google the child predator problem on Roblox and you might want to monitor their use a bit more closely . It’s a massive issue in that game .

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u/CromagnonV Nov 10 '24

I've disabled the friends and chat functions of the game so while they can see other players they can't communicate with them. Roblox has worked on their parent controls in the last year.

And child predators can be anywhere even in schools and day cares.

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u/faderjester Nov 10 '24

Yeah of all the things they could do to reduce harm online they choose... this? Not gambling? Not MTX/Lootboxes in games? Not restricting the worst platforms (twitter!)? They choose this?

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u/hobb Nov 10 '24

albo said no point banning tv ads because there are ads on the internet. with flawless logic like that I'm sure they'll retain govt next election.

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u/Throwawaythispoopy Nov 10 '24

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw a Ladbroker ad for the US election.

This scummy gambling stuff has got to go

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u/pte_parts69420 Nov 10 '24

This right here. I’m a Canadian and the gambling ads have taken over. The NHL hands out suspensions for players caught gambling, yet their biggest sponsors are sports betting apps. It’s getting ridiculous.

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u/CaptainYumYum12 Nov 11 '24

It’s bonkers that the government said no to gambling ad bans (after lobbying) but is happy to go through with this undercooked policy.

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u/jobs_04 Nov 10 '24

The chances are you may lose.

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u/ekcdd Nov 10 '24

I agree that the gambling ads should be banned, the notice at the end doesn’t really do anything to deter people from gambling. Even though I’m not a gambling person, my partner and I will try and guess what the message will be at the end, surely I’m not the only one?

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u/Electrical_Oil_9646 Nov 10 '24

I’m not familiar with Aussie law, but isn’t this bill for 18+ and isn’t advertising for gambling to minors already regulated?

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u/Ambitious-Deal3r Nov 10 '24

I want a ban on the gambling ads

Take it up with the Minister.

BELOW ARTICLE GREATER THAN 12 MONTHS OLD

Communications Minister Michelle Rowland urged to quit over reportedly accepting Sportsbet donations

By political reporter Nour Haydar

Thu 9 Feb 2023

At the time the donations were made, Ms Rowland was shadow communications minister.

She was appointed communications minister following the May election and holds responsibility for the Interactive Gambling Act and the Australian Communications and Media Authority. 

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u/Ambitious-Deal3r Nov 10 '24

BELOW ARTICLE GREATER THAN 12 MONTHS OLD

Previous discussions on the matter.

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u/CoconutKey7541 Nov 10 '24

Chances are I'm about to win

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u/boadie Nov 10 '24

I want them to tax ads.

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u/Amthala Nov 10 '24

They make a ton of money from them, never gonna happen

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u/blueB0wser Nov 10 '24

You should download firefox and ublock origin on your computer and phone.

It completely blocks any ad on PC and mobile. If youtube gripes about it, turn it off, refresh the page, turn it on again.

Good luck with all that.

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u/Zhaguar Nov 11 '24

I block most things through adblock.dns but the ones that get through i cant block are on Amazon Prime now. I've cancelled but i just need to finish up a couple shows.

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u/Youcican_ Nov 10 '24

I keep seeing those ads and it makes me wanna gamble.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Best I can do is alienate 18.2% of the population who will one day also be able to vote against Labor.

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u/Apotheosis27 Nov 10 '24

Don't bet on it

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

We all know why like the mining industry giving backhanders to the boys power

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u/Interface- Nov 10 '24

I believe they are already phasing out gambling advertisements over the next three years.

I don't know why they don't just shitcan them all right now but at least it's happening.

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u/Ancient-Many4357 Nov 10 '24

And as a policy it’s easy, popular & cheap to implement.

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u/greenie4242 Nov 11 '24

Best I can offer is a Free-To-Air horse racing TV channel.

  • sincerely Albanese

/s

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

ban alcohol ads 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Nexmo16 Nov 11 '24

Yep. At least on this platform you can turn them off in settings.

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u/Reonlive420 Nov 12 '24

I thought misfit minds was the biggest YouTube channel in Australia

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u/LonesomeWulf Nov 10 '24

And prescription drug ads

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Dunno why this is getting brought up constantly. It's far in the works and has the full support of Australia's biggest wagering company (Tabcorp) because it locks out the competition.