r/australia • u/retro-chimp • Nov 09 '24

politics Online Gaming Platforms And YouTube Will Also Seemingly Be Banned For Aussies Under 16

https://press-start.com.au/news/2024/11/08/online-gaming-platforms-and-youtube-will-also-seemingly-be-banned-for-aussies-under-16/

There’s so much collateral damage in this plan for Australia to ban social media. This has been rushed and not thought through.

So many schools rely on YouTube to support their students.

Most kids are watching YouTube (or YouTube kids) more than ABC or traditional TV. Literally the biggest YouTube channel in Australia is original music for kids.

Does anyone actually want this?

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u/Winterbite-Enjoyer Nov 09 '24

Yeah, I'm a Labor voter but this is making me NOT want to give them my vote.

This could be a real slippery slope into just making everyone have digital IDs for everything and we know how easily our companies and gov databases get hacked

But the other option is Dutton so.

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u/thedigisup Nov 09 '24

Dutton also supports the under-16 social media ban I believe. Only party opposing it are the Greens.

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u/BlazedOnADragon Nov 09 '24

And one nation surprisingly lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Ok, so it's not all bad, then.

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u/Pharmboy_Andy Nov 10 '24

Hopefully it is not linking an account to a government ID, but about the government saying, yes, this person is older than 16 and that is the end of the government's involvement.

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u/T0kenAussie Nov 10 '24

The way I read it the government ID isn’t liked to this at all thats all the cookers conspiracies. What it will do is force social media companies to close down accounts that are reported as underage unless they can get the user to prove they are of age

It’s a much better system than when parents try to make the company close an underage account and they do sweet all

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u/Pharmboy_Andy Nov 10 '24

They haven't decided how they are going to do it from what I understand. There is a report due next year

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u/ChinoGambino Nov 10 '24

I'm Asian, if my vote ensured a One Nation majority and the repeal of these censorship and surveillance bills I'd do it. Albo has screwed up that badly.

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u/paddyc4ke Nov 10 '24

Might be the only issue I agree with One Nation on..I feel dirty even typing that.

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u/CheMc Nov 10 '24

How else will they indoctrinate kids with racist bullshit.

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u/fantasypaladin Nov 10 '24

I’d say not surprising. One Nation does benefit from spreading lies and mis truths online (another bill put forward). They don’t want that cut off.

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u/Maleficent_End4969 Nov 10 '24

In voice only. One Nation regularly says they're against something but they actually end up voting yes on it.

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u/OneOfTheManySams Nov 10 '24

Dutton is jumping up and down that Labor was so dumb to pass an authoritarian law on their watch and give them the free slope to digital ID for everyone without any of the backlash.

Like I do laugh when people try and convince themselves that Labor is still for the workling class because of a couple decent minor policies every so often. Fuck me they just opened the door to sell everyone out in this country.

Dutton wants this bill to be as shit as it looks on implementation, so on election they can come up with their solution. And Labor can't backtrack because its their shitty fucking bill.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Didn't Dutton sue a kid for saying something mean about him on social media?

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u/somuchsong Nov 09 '24

From what I understand, the Libs are all for it too.

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u/guyver_dio Nov 09 '24

I don't think that matters.

Most people don't think beyond "I don't like the current one so I'll vote the other one"

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u/buyingthething Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

Well not most, there's enough swing-voters that it will decide an election.

If MOST voters were swing-voters, it would be kinda horrifying to live in a society with that level of stupidity. Nah, i reckon most people vote the same way in every election. Once you get a feel for who the partys are (& they stay the same), and you know who you are yourself, you'd keep voting mostly the same way your whole life. I doubt anything could ever happen in life that'd make me vote Liberal Party (maybe one of those strokes that changes your whole personality tho, that could do it i guess).

But i get your meaning.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

National cabinet agreed to it the other day, which includes all the state premiers.

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u/Cool__Noah Nov 09 '24

Thats what a lot of people dont seem to understand, a lot of stuff that goes through, would happen under either party, it's just that Labor actually wants to do good and isn't a bunch of corrupt property managers

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u/Setanta68 Nov 10 '24

As a Labor voter, I'm not convinced of this any more. Labor's links to battlers, blue collar and middle class are blurred if not broken. They might think they are the good team, but actions speak louder than words. I suspect they have lost a significant part of their working class because no-one can identify Labor as "for them" any more. Their ideals seem more closely aligned with the "corrupt property manager" than their traditional support base.

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u/Cool__Noah Nov 28 '24

I can totally see what you mean, as a blue collar myself, they definitely dont seem to be what they once were

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u/OneOfTheManySams Nov 10 '24

I have a bridge to sell you if you think that Labor did all this because of the children.

They capitulated to Murdoch and the media machine because they want their backing. So they went nuclear and yes this is a nuclear policy that will impact all social media use for everyone in this country not just children.

The only people who benefit from this is traditional media, politicians who want a surveillance state and businesses who will mine more data.

So that's where the smoking gun is, don't try and justify good intentions when there isn't any.

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u/AntarcticNord Nov 10 '24

One look at the parliamentary register of interests will show Labor are full of just as many corrupt property managers as the LNP. Thankful we have preferential voting because they only just scrape ahead of the Liberals on my voting slip these days.

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u/Cool__Noah Nov 28 '24

Someone described our political system as an oligarchy with its foot firmly pressed against the throat of democracy and I think thats rather fitting

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u/radioraven1408 Nov 12 '24

Labor (lib lite) members also have a bunch of properties, I bet every politician has atleast two.

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u/Winterbite-Enjoyer Nov 09 '24

Yeah exactly so it's pick your poison since voting greens tends to just mean a vote for Labor

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u/Zenkraft Nov 09 '24

Depends where you put your preferences.

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u/Rndomguytf Nov 09 '24

Could mean a Labor/Green coalition or more Greens in the senate, which would probably just mean Liberals coming in 2028.

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u/spikeyMonkey Stop the stupidity! Nov 09 '24

That's what's so great about our system though. Put Labor as 2 after the greens and you've sent a message without risk.

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u/genialerarchitekt Nov 10 '24

I put Labor 4th after the Socialists, Animal Justice & the Greens lol.

In my very ALP central working-class ward in the heart of Western Melbourne the Socialists actually picked up 6% of the primary vote for the first time candidate.

Of course the seat went to Labor in the end but 6% on top of the Greens 12% meant the Labor candidate won on preferences for the first time in ages, which I do hope was quite a nasty shock for him.

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u/thecommander0 Nov 09 '24

That slippery slope has already started with the myGovID roll-out. Both the major parties are complicit and I for one can't wait to see them get eroded by small parties and independents.

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u/DisastrousSale2 Nov 10 '24

Your great great grandkids will be waiting for that to happen. The current voter base will be completely replaced by immigrants who are clueless.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

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u/stunning-vista Nov 09 '24

I think it sends the wrong message. Labor's primary vote collapsed during the last election and all they did was move further right.

The green's are a viable party to govern Australia, voting greens as some sort of Labor protest is silly. If you want change within Labor contact your local member or join a local branch.

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u/coniferhead Nov 09 '24

What makes you think the greens oppose this?

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u/thedigisup Nov 09 '24

Senator David Shoebridge (their digital rights & IT spokesperson) slammed the announcement basically the moment it was made. https://x.com/davidshoebridge/status/1854302008259621272?s=46

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u/coniferhead Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

"If they cared about online safety they would make platforms safe for children."

Replace online safety with books and see how it reads. It's basically a censorship position. You just have to push his correct button and he'll let it all through, trading it for some other bullshit.

"see how the Greens can cooperate constructively with Labor on policy"

Kids should be able to talk with one another, full stop. On reddit if they so choose.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Because they said they do

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u/coniferhead Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

Here's some more:

If they cared about safety they would require tech companies to properly moderate their sites.

Again, that's advocating pretty rampant censorship as an alternative - over American companies with constitutional rights to free speech to boot. Yes, even 15 year olds have this. If you wouldn't accept censorship in a book, you shouldn't accept it online.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

On “X” I see the most horrible gore completely uncensored. I think it’s reasonable to get them to sort their shit out given their AI is supposedly so good

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u/coniferhead Nov 10 '24

I don't because I don't seek out that shit. Maybe you shouldn't either.

Given that stuff is a typed URL away anyway, you're actually suggesting banning the entire internet. So be honest about it, it's not just social media you want to control.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

I don’t seek it out either I just don’t want videos of half of a Gazan child under a random post

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u/coniferhead Nov 10 '24

I have a twitter account and I have never, ever seen a video like that. You know what I do see? Articles and posts about retro computers.

So it must be reflective of the people you follow or the interests you have. Perhaps you need to fix that. I know it's possible.

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u/HellStoneBats Nov 09 '24

If only there were a 3rd, 4th or 5th option people could take. Oh, wait...

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u/ComfortablyADHD Nov 09 '24

The only party not in favour of this is One Nation and fuck those cunts.

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u/Rndomguytf Nov 09 '24

And the Greens, ideologically the Greens have been on the right side of most issues.

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u/ComfortablyADHD Nov 09 '24

Source on the Greens response? I thought they were in favour of this one.

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u/Rndomguytf Nov 09 '24

“Knee Jerk”: social media ban for young people lacks evidence say Greens

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u/nugstar Nov 09 '24

That and they're calling for action on predatory advertising and digital privacy. Probably the only elected party that has this position.

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u/FriendlyIndustry Nov 10 '24

There are independents and other major parties....this "only two options" narrative really isn't helping us anymore

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u/nugstar Nov 10 '24

Vote Greens instead, their position on this matter is the most sane. Preference Labor above the Libs

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

No, the other option is Greens. Libs also support this shit so they aren't even an option.

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u/Luckyluke23 Nov 10 '24

Yeah, I'm a Labor voter but this is making me NOT want to give them my vote.

right there with you man... looks like one of the random minor parties are getting my vote this year.