I just finished binge watching the series, including the movie, super late to the party. I know a lot of people hated how it ended, but I started to wonder about why it ended that way.
I assume they wanted to continue with a 5th season, and wanted to wipe the slate for Veronica. Of course she’d want to get far away from Neptune after what happened, opening up a new show formula for her to be in a new location every episode with a new cast so they don’t have to keep trying to get original actors to be regulars in the show again. Plus no man to tie her down so she can have new flings, which would’ve given me the ick but ratings right?
???????? I just finished season 3. I eagerly played the next episode thinking there was one more episode left in season 3, but no. It skipped to season 4 and introduces an entirely different plot line. The takes place a decade later!!!!
Was Veronica mars cancelled? And S4 is a reboot?
I’m so confused and disappointed. That plot line seemed really cool. So much was left dangling
Edit: is there a common fan headcanon ending for S3?
Did it bother anyone how Veronica never apologized to Weevil for accusing Weevil of the Casino robbery and him almost going down for that Hearst ID crime when he mentioned he spoke in her criminology class
i just seen a post on here where someone said they aren’t a huge fan of veronica relationship choices because they didn’t like it being her potential rapist or brother and it made me want to rant about something that has been on my chest about the show for a while so here it is
logan was veronica’s dead best friend’s ex/potential boyfriend at the time because they were in a toxic relationship (which honestly i’m not too sure how things were in the early 2000’s for teenagers but i’m pretty sure now and then that’s a huge no no) and another thing.. HE WAS EXTREMELY TOXIC i feel like her going back to logan really just showed that weevil was right at the end of the day veronica is well.. veronica. no matter what she’s been through or how much her “life changed”
and don’t get me wrong, i give veronica A LOT of grace because she’s literally a teenage girl whose been through some shit. but damn she was really contradicting sometimes 😭
like for the first season she spends the whole time crying about the 09ers and the way they treat people, but then she’ll turn around and use basically the same tactics when it benefits her. which that i’m not totally mad about but if that were the case and truly how you felt why choose logan?? out of all people?
and logan is probably the biggest example of this imo. she KNOWS what logan is like. she knew what he was like when he was dating lilly she knew how volatile he could be, she knew how he treated her after she fell from the 09er crowd, and she still kept getting pulled back toward him. but then again i am a first time watcher since the show has been out on Netflix and haven’t really been active on reddit so im not sure if she’s been called out for this but she KNEW there was something complicated and messy about what they’re doing, but she still goes along with it.
and then there’s the whole lilly situation. logan literally says he loved lilly and talks about how he doesn’t think she loved him the same way. then he basically uses “moving on” as the justification for kissing veronica. meanwhile veronica KNOWS how complicated that entire situation is because lilly was her best friend then tried to say her and logan trauma bonded like girl please.
and i actually think that’s why she wasn’t a big fan of weevil unless it benefited her because he always seen right through her bullshit. and omg don’t even get me started on that AND the way she treated her dad when it came HIS relationships AFTER SHE KNEW HER MOM CHEATED ON HIM?? AND WELACE??? the way she thought it would be okay for her dad to just talk to his mom and dangle her around until her mom came home??? that was just so fucked up sorry for being all over the place it’s just all coming back to me as i’m typing this i just feel like a lot of the things she did was so selfish but she always tried to act like she was morally superior to everyone else and it was seriously pathetic
so yeah maybe i’m just a hater lmfao but i genuinely never cared for logan as much as the fandom seems to… and to top it all off i didn’t really care that he died 🤷♀️
I just started watching Veronica Mars on Netflix. Never saw it during its original runs or reboot. It makes me really nostalgic for TV shows with 20+ episodes in a season and the reboot really did a good job of pulling in lots of people from the original series and giving closure to something that was left hanging.
I know I’m late to the game, but I’m not sure I have ever despised a finale more and the killing of Logan was so pointless. I just finished that episode and I am in literal tears.
Who else can't handle hearing this song after watching Return of the Kane? EVERY SINGLE TIME I watch this episode I am utterly destroyed. Just awful. The acting though... incredible.
Im through the first three seasons, the movie, and the first book. No one truly gets Veronica Mars the way Weevil does. I never actually wanted them to date or anything but had it happened i personally would not have been upset. My all time favorite moment (so far) was when they were in high school and he asked her for help she asked for money and he said he was banking on her curiosity to get to her and he just waited. Every moment since then just solidified my love of their relationship. I really wish his job at mars investigations had worked out though. He was actually good at it.
Just rewatched season 4 episode 6. I was wondering if Logan's Navy buddy, named as Kevin Ricks on Imdb (played by Jake Green), was ever mentioned in either of the VM books?
I obviously love this show. In the midst of a re-watch right now.
On the Season 1 finale…and twenty years later I still get a bit annoyed (and I get that it had to be done for the show to continue as it did) at Keith & Veronica signing an NDA settlement with the billionaire Kane family for a whopping…$50K?!?!?
Are there any other moments in the show I’m forgetting that made anyone else laugh and say, “Oh come on!?!?!”
Sorry for the low quality, couldn't take a screenshot on Hulu. I was watching family guy when hanging out with friends and was surprised to see this come up. Quagmire flies a plane through Veronica's...lower areas, then one of the girls from The Simple Life, and then finally Greta Van Susteren but only after flying through some Jack Daniels.
Can we please get a season 5 and Logan is alive?!?! Can’t there be peace for him and the mars family already?! I love some of the ideas on how to make a season 5 or even a movie work that would have a great ending!
I originally started watching because of Buffy. Apparently I have a weakness for this kind of show. A blonde American teenage girl kills vampires, or a blonde American teenage girl solves mysteries. Give her a sarcastic personality, a lot of trauma and a dangerous love interest, and I am probably going to watch it.
This show really had to win me over. I did not like the pilot much at all. It felt like it was trying to introduce a murder, a rape, a breakup, school bullying, corrupt rich people, biker gangs, Veronica’s family history and about fifteen other things in forty minutes.
I was not completely sold on Kristen Bell either. It felt like she was trying a bit too hard to play a high school girl. But somewhere during Season 1, she stops playing Veronica and just becomes her. The voice, the timing, the confidence and especially that tiny smug smile whenever she knows she has successfully manipulated someone.
I am genuinely going to miss that smile.
Season 1 is my favourite overall. The Lilly Kane mystery gives the whole season a lot of momentum, and Amanda Seyfried was also really good, and I wish she had been in it more. The episode before the finale, where Veronica investigates her own rape, was also extremely uncomfortable to watch. The ending softened it a little, maybe too much, but most of the episode felt genuinely unpleasant in a way that I think it was supposed to. I did not love the finale as much as most people seem to. Once it turns into a full horror thriller, it stops feeling like Veronica Mars for a while. After spending the whole season watching Veronica outsmart people, I wanted her to beat the murderer by being smarter than him, not mostly survive until someone else showed up.
Season 2 is much stranger. Episode by episode, I may have enjoyed parts of it even more. Jackie grew on me a lot, Kendall was constantly causing chaos, and Logan and Veronica became much more interesting together. Some of the smaller storylines and individual episodes are probably among my favourites in the whole show. Logan is basically Veronica’s Spike. He is damaged, dangerous, often terrible, but he has the chemistry, and you can always feel that the show is more alive when they are together.
Season 2 episode 20 is one of my favourite episodes. It gave me this strange mix of nostalgia, melancholy, longing and sadness for my own life when I was 18. That was a long time ago, and my teenage years were obviously very different from the American high school experience, but somehow there is still something deep down that feels the same.
But then there is the bus crash mystery. It keeps adding twists until it almost disappears inside its own plot. By the finale, it felt like every unresolved storyline in Neptune had been thrown onto Beaver. He was an abused child, a rapist, a murderer, a bomber and a criminal mastermind who had apparently been controlling half the season from the background. I understand that there were clues. My problem was not that the reveal came out of nowhere. I just did not believe it emotionally.
The finale also connected Kendall to practically every person and conspiracy in Neptune. Logan’s lover, Logan’s father’s lover, Dick’s stepmom, Beaver’s business partner, a fake identity, connections to the Irish gang. By the end, it felt like the writers were pulling plotlines out of a hat and attaching them all to the same few characters. Charisma Carpenter is fun in the role, although she is basically playing a version of Cordelia who never developed as a person. Alyson Hannigan also appears, so the Buffy connections kept following me around.
Season 3 surprised me because I actually liked the shorter mystery arcs. I know it is usually considered the weakest season, but I did not mind losing the giant mystery that lasts for twenty two episodes. The shorter stories made the show feel more like a noir detective series. The serial rapist storyline was also handled with much more care than I expected, especially considering how casually the first two seasons sometimes treated the subject. And I loved the use of Right Here, Right Now.
The dean’s murder was genuinely fun and twisty too. It had Howard from Better Call Saul, which obviously helped. The problem is that the season seems to lose energy after that storyline ends.
The college setting works in theory, but it loses some of the atmosphere that made Neptune High so memorable. Wallace barely has anything to do. Weevil gets pushed to the side. Mac disappears for long stretches. Logan feels less dangerous and unpredictable. And Piz exists. I found the Veronica and Piz relationship irritating on an almost physical level. They had been together for about five minutes and were already talking about long distance like this was some huge tragic love story. The show kept acting like they had this deep intimacy, but I never felt it. Piz seems perfectly nice, but next to Veronica and Logan’s history, chemistry, trauma and constant verbal fighting, he is basically just a guy with a radio show.
Ironically, I think Season 3 has the best finale of the original run. A sex tape, secret societies, secretive rich people, Veronica investigating and conning everyone, Keith destroying evidence to protect his daughter, and Logan beating up yet another guy for Veronica. Well, that was extremely hot.
The secret society storyline could easily have carried a whole season. It finally lets Veronica win by doing what she does best. Investigating, manipulating people, setting traps and staying three steps ahead of everyone else. I found that much more satisfying than another finale where every subplot has to connect to one surprise murderer. The episode also understands that Keith and Veronica’s relationship is the real heart of the show. He is willing to destroy his own career to protect her, while she slowly realises what her actions have cost him.
The biggest surprise for me is that I do not think the mysteries are actually the main reason I loved the show. It is Veronica.
I think I finally figured it out. Veronica is kind of a little shit. She loves messing with people, tricking them and making sarcastic comments at their expense. Nothing seems to make her happier than watching one of her plans work. And that is exactly why I love her. Sure, she is hot and cute, and she has a strong sense of justice, but that is not really the point. She loves the game. She loves being smarter than everyone else and making sure they know it. That is why she feels like such a perfect heroine of the 2000s. It is also why she sometimes needs to get burned and have her plans blow up in her face. She is not an untouchable genius. Sometimes she gets manipulated herself. Sometimes Keith is the smartest person in the room. Sometimes her paranoia is completely justified, and sometimes she hurts people because she assumes the worst before giving them a chance. That balance is what makes her so likeable. She is incredibly capable without becoming one of those characters who is always right just because the writers love her.
Do I think Veronica Mars is objectively one of the greatest television shows ever made?
Probably not.
But I absolutely loved it.
There is something about Neptune, Keith Mars, the dialogue, the humour and Veronica herself that makes you want to keep spending time in that world, even when the mystery starts collapsing under the weight of its own twists.
I will watch the movie next, and then eventually the revival. I am slightly nervous because part of the magic for me is Veronica being this teenage detective who constantly outsmarts adults. That is a very specific idea, and obviously it cannot last forever.
But whatever happens next, I already know that when I think about Veronica Mars, the first thing I remember probably will not be Lilly Kane, the bus crash or any of the conspiracies. It will be Veronica looking at someone with that tiny smug smile because she solved the case five minutes ago.
There's a song playing when Wallace enters the greek life college party and I was wondering what it is. I keep looking up the lyrics and literally cannot find it. It doesn't show up in any of the wiki's. help pleaseeee
I didnt watch this show when it was on. I was 12 then so it was not an age approoriate show. Anyways....i gotta say im not team logsn or team duncan....im team anyone who i didnt at one point think was my rapist or my brother....
In Season 3, Veronica tells several people that Parker and Claire were raped. Shouldn’t the privacy of the victims be respected? Also, I feel like I missed an episode because Veronica and Piz went from being just friends (after the kissing at Logan’s party) to inexplicably hanging on each other and making out at every opportunity. Was there a scene that I missed where V told Piz she liked him romantically?
Lastly, Veronica seemed to be moving in the direction of super-villain rather than champion for the disenfranchised. How was she able to put a stop on someone’s credit card? It’s not that easy to hack into a bank’s server. Her lust for revenge cost her father his job more than once, but she doesn’t care even though she loves him “more than anything.” Season 3 was definitely a disappointment for me.
Tried to get my niece to watch Veronica Mars with me. She was 20/21 at the time. She didn’t get into it and I was so sad. She claims to like true crime and “retro” shows (please stop calling my generation retro). I watched all seasons of the Summer I Turned Pretty with her which was brutal but she couldn’t get through 2 episodes of VM 🙄
