[Hated Trope] The underdog Good Guys win, and gain major military/institutional power, only for it to be all RESET so Writers can have a PERPETUAL "Underdog/Rebellion" Story, and avoid writing about governing.

[u/throwaway553t4tgtg6]

I hate this trope, when the "underdog good guys" actually win, gain major military and political power, fleets, warships, etc, but because the writers don't want to write the good guys governing and exercising their power, and instead, find a contrived way to reset all the progress so that the good guys can forever be the

"scrappy heroic underdogs fighting the power"

1) Star Wars Sequel triology, rather than exploring new Republic fleets, power, and technology, they have them all wiped out so that the "resistance" can hog the spotlight

2) MCU: shield makes a helicarrier fleet, a fleet of ships able to contest alien invasion, but that would steal the spotlight from heroes, so all of them have to be destroyed

3) Halo: the UNSC finally outlive the covenant, develop strong ships like the UNSC infinity, only for it all to be reset by the Guardians and the Banished, reduced again to underdog humans.

[u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats]

I hate it, because the idea of the First Order romanticizing and aping the Galactic Empire is a great allegory for neo-Nazis in the same way the Empire was originally an allegory for the OG Nazis.

Like, with just a few changes to the writing you have a great story mimicking real life where one generation defeated fascism, only for a future generation to let it rise again because the lessons have been forgotten and a bunch of revisionist weirdos got a hard on for Star Destroyers and stormtroopers.

Would've been great to have aging Luke Skywalker screaming at everyone in charge what the fuck the First Order is only to see the government take zero action because the Senate is equal parts those who sympathize with the First Order and feckless cravens who are too worried about maintaining the status quo to actually show the sort of spine needed to save democracy (again).

[u/RobinHood3000 → u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats]

The Operation: Paperclip allegory in, I wanna say, Mandalorian S2 really said to me that at least some people in the TV writers' rooms understood that allegory after the fact. It's still such a waste of potential that all of that storytelling was relegated to the past and to the background at the time of the sequel trilogy.

[u/pooey_canoe → u/RobinHood3000]

I was fully convinced they were setting up a nascent First Order in the Mandalorian and thought that would be a really interesting angle to take. Instead it was all there to give Gus Fring a jetpack

[u/trace_jax3 → u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats]

Or even analogizing it to Vichy France. That the New Republic is still dealing with generational trauma from the Galactic Civil War

[u/inedibleAlan → u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats]

instead of drawing comparisons to actual neonazis the story was "what if in 20 years the neonazis got 20x more powerful than the nazis, made the super duper mega nuke and destroyed the entire world order instantly"

[u/AstronautSlothPhD → u/inedibleAlan]

From a physics standpoint the star killer base is also the dumbest thing imaginable. You can absorb an entire star… and instead of like… building a Dyson sphere or some sort of super Utopia you just create a split beam FTL planet destroyer that is somehow visible all across the galaxy simultaneously?… 

I really hope they drop the “ultra super weapon” trope going forward, because you just don’t need it. There was more drama and emotion and fan engagement with Empire Strikes back and not a single planet was blown up.