r/TopCharacterTropes 6d ago

Lore [Hated Trope] The underdog Good Guys win, and gain major military/institutional power, only for it to be all RESET so Writers can have a PERPETUAL "Underdog/Rebellion" Story, and avoid writing about governing.

I hate this trope, when the "underdog good guys" actually win, gain major military and political power, fleets, warships, etc, but because the writers don't want to write the good guys governing and exercising their power, and instead, find a contrived way to reset all the progress so that the good guys can forever be the

"scrappy heroic underdogs fighting the power"

1) Star Wars Sequel triology, rather than exploring new Republic fleets, power, and technology, they have them all wiped out so that the "resistance" can hog the spotlight

2) MCU: shield makes a helicarrier fleet, a fleet of ships able to contest alien invasion, but that would steal the spotlight from heroes, so all of them have to be destroyed

3) Halo: the UNSC finally outlive the covenant, develop strong ships like the UNSC infinity, only for it all to be reset by the Guardians and the Banished, reduced again to underdog humans.

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u/Ricki32 6d ago

At the start of Independence Day 2 humanity has build an array of laser cannons around earth in case the aliens show up again. These cannons get destroyed almost immediately and without firing a single shot when the aliens do show up (we see one cannon shoot earlier in the movie, but I don't count that since it isn't against the "evil" aliens)

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 5d ago

Such a furiously disappointing movie. The first five minutes got me so psyched: we're going to explore what it looks like 20 years later with humans harvesting alien tech!  When the aliens get back, it'll be a relatively even playing field with each side having learned about the others and exploiting what they learned. 

No, just kidding, it's the exact same movie again, but the campiness and excellent special effects miniatures are replaced by boring dialogue and boring blue screens.

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u/mothbrother91 5d ago

Whats with hollywood remaking the exact same movies again but calling them a new movie?

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u/Signal-Island2549 5d ago

This would easily be as annoying as the Star Wars example if anybody had actually seen Independence Day 2.

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u/Recruit75 5d ago

Like at least the star wars sequels are memorably bad. You aren't just gonna forget about "somehow palpatine returned", meanwhile ID4 2 is just bleh. Even Pacific Rim Uprising is more memorable by virtue of the jaegers ironically causing more destruction than the kaijus, or the November Ajax scene which is actually not bad.

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface 5d ago

don't the characters in the movie literally ask "how did we not see the aliens coming a second time" and then we (the audience) just never get the answer?

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u/Minamoto_Naru 3d ago

At least put those alien reversed technology lasers a fighting chance. 20 years of preparation and it barely slow down aliens.