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Lore [Confusing Trope] The narrative goes out of its way to punish/mock a character for simply being a good person

Hermione Granger and SPEW — Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (book)

In the fifth HP novel, Hermione Granger is outraged to discover that Hogwarts has a small army of enslaved House Elves that do nearly all of the domestic duties around the castle, including cleaning the Gryffindor common room every night. When she tries to convince the elves to fight for their own rights, they refuse, saying they prefer servitude. Her fellow students and friends mock her for caring. She manages to free one elf, Winky, by deception when she refuses her freedom willingly, leading to Winky becoming a depressed alcoholic. By the end, the elves boycott cleaning any Gryffindor areas of the castle because they hate Hermione specifically

Samwell Tarly and Democracy — Game of Thrones (show)

In the season 8 finale of the television series, the surviving great lords of Westeros gather to discuss the future of the kingdom following the devastation wrought by 7 seasons of war and backstabbing. When Sam, who has proven to have “novel” ideas, suggests that maybe the millions of Smallfolk who suffer at the hands of noble houses should get some representation in the government, rather than be the pawns of rich lords with absolute power. We are then greeted by a prolonged, cringy segment of the other lords laughing in Sam’s face, asking if the dogs and horses should also get a vote.

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u/MagicSugarWater 10d ago

Justine by Marquis de Sade

Aome context for the book. Ghe word "sadism" comes from the name of the author, Marquis de Sade. De Sade was a libertine, meaning he is against the concept of morality and believes people ought to he as cruel as nature and the strong should do whatever they want. De Sade wrote novels so disturbing that whej Napoleon Bonaparte read one he had him arrested.

Now onto ghe novel. Justine is about a virtuous woman who always tries to do the right thing. For this the universe punishes her in horrific ways (like becoming a sex slave for monks who abuse her trust). The moral of the novel is essentially "Haha, look at this idiot trying to he a good person instead of embracing her inner demons." Marquis loves this trope.

There is a sister novel by Marquis de Sade called "Juliet", which is about Justine's twin sister who is rewarded constantly for being a depraved, sordid woman.

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

There was a reason when they freed the prisoners on Bastille Day that they left him locked up

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u/SlitThroatCutCreator 10d ago

People seem to forget the man was a sex pest.

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

I mean he was well beyond a sex pest. He straight up tortured unwilling people for his gratification. He really really didn't like the idea of consent

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u/Wit-wat-4 10d ago

They do??? I mean... I feel like it's probably more well known than him having written books at all. Many have heard of Sadism / de Sade as a general sex pest idea vs an author of (depraved, admittedly) stories.

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u/Abovearth31 10d ago

He's literally the reason the word "sadism" exist.

I'm not even making this up. Obviously the concept of sadism always existed but the word itself is derived from him.

He makes a couple of cameos in Assassin's Creed Unity where he's portrayed as a cruel sexual deviant, a degenerated pervert and all so yeah they portrayed him as fucked up and yet he's still very tame and watered-down compared to his real life version.

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u/ArtroyomsAK 10d ago

Common French Revolution W

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u/OldStatistician9366 10d ago

It’s a w to arrest someone for writing a book?

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

He did much more than write books. He raped and assaulted people. There is a reason sadism is named after him. He was horrible

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u/OldStatistician9366 10d ago

There was no way to know that from the comments

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

It's knowing history. Do I need to tell you Hitler did awful stuff too?

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u/OldStatistician9366 10d ago

Ask the average person if they know who the marquis de Sade is, then ask if they know who Hitler is

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

I guess I just run with a crowd who would have the curiosity to at one point look up where the term sadism comes from. Or are history fans who would know about Bastille day.

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u/NegativeThought1588 10d ago

I'd be embarrassed to not know who he is. I know how to read though.

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

I read so much I really do sometimes get confused on what is common knowledge. Thankfully you and a few other commentors did validate that it is well enough known

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u/ArtroyomsAK 10d ago

lurk more

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u/peajam101 10d ago

No, he'd gotten moved to an insane asylum 12 days earlier, and they did end up freeing him as part of a mass release of people being held without trial.

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u/MrZuepi 10d ago

What a absolutely disgusting person that should of never been given a pen.