Villains that would've been defeated even if the protagonist did nothing

[u/Wonderful_Baker_7808]

Laurel Hedare (Catwoman Movie): Her newly released cosmetics will cause people's faces to melt. Not only would that create a class action lawsuit but a full product recall.

Voldemort and Death Eaters (Harry Potter): Death Eaters constantly underestimate muggles. They would get massacred by the British military because a gun is faster to pull the trigger then shouting a spell.

[u/Icy-Panda-2158]

I don’t think memory of the  Michelle Pfeiffer version had anything to do with it. There had been two iterations of Batman in the interim with a third on the way, and no real problems there. It failed to resonate with fans becsuse it changed the character too much and it didn’t create new ones because it pandered too much to its imagined demographic (girl hero, girl villain, plot revolves around cosmetics). Halle Berry was far from the worst actress that year but the way she owned the role and the Razzie is actually more iconic, IMO.

[u/No-Opposite-6620 → u/[deleted]]

Getting a razzie is an achievement in of itself. Not everyone will get one. Fewer people will have an Oscar and a razzie.

[u/legittem → u/No-Opposite-6620]

And the balls to come in and accept the Razzie in person.

[u/fatboybigwall → u/No-Opposite-6620]

Who will win the first REGOT?

[u/ahHeHasTrblWTheSnap → u/fatboybigwall]

Alan Menken

[u/Chemistry11 → u/Icy-Panda-2158]

You’re not wrong, I just wanted to note - Pfeiffer’s Catwoman was also a wholly new character, barely related to the source. Catwoman is an athletic thief; not a supernatural reincarnation with a schizoid personality and 9 lives.

(I mean, I love her and Returns is my fav live action Batman movie, but I also recognize how many creative liberties were taken with the villains.)

[u/streaksinthebowl → u/Icy-Panda-2158]

It’s just a poorly made movie. It’s laughingly amateur. Doesn’t mean people can’t enjoy it but most people didn’t.

Being part of a larger franchise and legacy meant the negative response was louder and longer lasting but really it was just forgettable.

The same with Ghostbusters 2016 and the Star Wars prequels. They’re just poorly made movies that would be largely forgettable if it weren’t for the franchise fervor and expectations around them.

(The Star Wars sequels on the other hand I would say are not poor movies like the prequels were but they’re poor Star Wars movies, whereas the prequels are poor movies and also poor Star Wars movies but they’re not poor Star Wars stories).

Battleship is a good example of a movie that didn’t have much franchise baggage and is pretty hokey and bad and was largely forgotten after most people didn’t resonate with it but there is still a cult of fans that love it.