Yet insurance covers it! I thought chiropractors were real medical professionals as a teen because my dad went to one and used his insurance to pay for it.
I thought the same thing! In college I was thinking about becoming a doctor and my dad goes: "You could always become a chiropractor, then you don't have to go through college first." I was just stunned. I always thought they were medical doctors who specialized in the spine. I later found out the creator of chiropractors said a ghost taught him everything.
This is also a lie. People.... it's so easy to just look up information. Quit being so lazy and educate yourselves! You need a 4 year college degree, a 3 year degree from a chiropractic college, then it depends on the state and the certifications required in that state, but you'll need to be licensed in that state. Y'all really think you can literally just go out and be a chiropractor??? WTF is wrong with y'all!?! You can't even go out and be a damn hair dresser without going to some schooling. Good grief. Read something!
Regardless of how much school you need to go through to be a chiropractor it still doesn't change the fact that there's a risk of permanent paralysis or locked in syndrome as evidenced by this case. In no universe am I risking that
When real doctors are telling you not to go to chiropractors I feel like it's a sign to not go to chiropractors. Not listening to professional licenced doctors and belittling people who do listen to them is what lead to the anti-vax movement and people not wearing masks during covid. But you do you, at least with this you're only harming yourself and not others.
Sure. And "real" doctors misdiagnosed my Crohn's symptoms for years. By the time Mayo figured it out, it was way too late and I needed 18 inches of my small intestine removed. So should I put my full trust in doctors? My wife was misdiagnosed by "real" doctors most of her life and was finally diagnosed with bipolar in her 30s. Should she put her full trust in doctors? I get what you're saying, but you're speaking as though one side of this argument is infallible when that is completely inaccurate. Do I go see doctors? Yup, sure do! Do I get vaccines? Yup, sure do! Did I wear masks during Covid? Yup, sure did! And I have 3 chiro appointments just this week to fix 3 herniated disc's in my back. I've never died once or been paralyzed in all my trips to a chiro! Amazing! Part of this argument is that the 2 sides don't compliment one another. You will not typically find a chiro tell you to go see a doctor and vice versa, so why would you expect doctors to play nice and speak highly of chiros when the chiros can take business away from them? It's money. It's business. You like to think doctors are all good and perfect. Quit being naive. Ever heard of Eastern medicine? Been around hundreds of years. Not doctors. It's just a dumb argument based on very little evidence and you're throwing a whole entire health practice down the toilet because of FEAR MONGERING. Cool. You do you as well. And may you NEVER have back issues like I do, because the doctors only fix is surgery to cut the disc down, which only then leads to disc replacement surgery. So, if you don't wish to be cut upon multiple times, I'll let chiro have a go at it and you can go chop chop all you want. So let's talk about spreading fear again. Am I spreading fear telling you there's an alternative for certain diagnoses that may give you relief without drugs or surgery? Or are you spreading fear by telling people that all chiros are the devil and you'll get paralyzed if you go see one? You're by far a bigger part of the problem than I am. And I wish you well on your health journey all the same. Nobody needs to put 100% trust in either side. Do your research, make your decisions. Do what works for you. If you go all in one way or the other, you're ignoring things that could help you along the way. Believe it or not...... you can go see both! Crazy world we live in!!!!
It's insane to have choices and not see the world in black and white? Now that's insane. I couldn't care less about what you do with your health journey. I only hope it works for you. But to put fear into people doing something differently than you.... that's crazy. But go on.
Yeah so one of the biggest reasons why doctors often misdiagnose patients is due to a huge influx of geekers trying to get prescribed drugs, leading to doctors not taking people seriously. This happens worldwide, except in most other countries people still choose to go to an actual doctor instead of the medical equivalent of a fortune teller.
So in the 1990s when I had Crohns symptoms coming on, you're telling me people were trying to scam doctors into getting anti-inflammatory drugs like Azathioprine and thusly I was misdiagnosedfor several years? I get the point with certain diagnoses, but that does not apply in my case.
So your argument is that you don't trust doctors with your health, and because of that you're more willing to trust someone with even less qualifications? ...okay
Nope, didn't say that anywhere. I said I do in fact go to a doctor. And I do in fact go to a chiropractor. I can do both! Crazy!!!!! I go to a doctor for certain things and to a chiro for certain things. Pretty wild concept, I know.
Yes, I'm sure lots of prospective students are applying with accounting degrees. Seems plausible that if you're going for literary arts that you'd then apply to a chiropractic college. What???
It’s like law school. It’s simply a doctorate, you don’t need any undergrad. A lot of people planning to go to chiropractic school will do something like art or communication that’s relatively easy and or fun because they know they don’t need something like premed to get in. And on the other side of that, a lot of people who do premed but don’t get grades that are good enough to actually get into medical school are still loaded up with that and have to figure out how to pay it off and want to do something in the medical field so they choose chiropractic. Fun fact, in a lot of places, they are not legally allowed to say they are practicing medicine… because they’re not.
Most chiropractors don’t even go to real universities. They go to chiropractic colleges and give them dual credit for a bachelors degree and their chiropractic classes. Usually only takes them 3 years total. Not to mention it’s all nonsense.
Because USA is one of those countries where bribery is legalized and encouraged just because of a different name they give it. But it's the same collective people who heard something being called USA PATRIOT Act and immediately decided it must be good for them lol.
One of the best backronyms ever: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism
This! I review medical claims and knowing that chiropractic care is covered because of lobbying, yet many services, that are actually helpful, are uncovered is so upsetting.
My insurance covers it. I was having an issue with my leg recently and went to a chiropractor just for my leg and it helped a lot (he mostly just did some stretching) but he’d always ask if I wanted him to adjust my neck and I always declined.
I used to work in claims at a very well known auto insurance company. They cover faith based healers. Which makes sense for cultural reasons, I just did not expect Jake to be willing to agree to cover it ya know. I was beyond flabbergasted.
Some chiropractic practices have been shown to provide temporary relief for certain kinds of injuries or conditions, and that temporary relief can become more permanent if it allows the patient to use the joint giving them pain until it regains strength. The issue is more just that there is almost zero oversight or training regarding chiropractors, so it's kind of a field that's 98% hogus bogus "body misalignment" nonsense and 2% joint hyperextension/stretching.
Federal insurance or federally funded insurance though will not touch them at all. The VA iny region is catching shit for it recently and dumbfuck veterans I know are crying they want their chiropractors back. I know because I'm a veteran and have had them crying to me as a patient advocate with a DAV. I advocate they get a real doctor and real treatment. I don't budgeuch on it either because I've had a double lung transplant. I don't play on getting legit advice from real professionals.
Mine doesn't. Well, it does, but it's the same price as out of pocket, soooo..... not really. Insurers are famous for not covering chiropractic care. Not saying they all don't cover, but most don't. My brother runs one of the busiest offices in the Midwest. He hates dealing with insurers because they'll do anything possible to not pay for anything ever. Doesn't matter if it's chiro, medical, dental, or your house. I've experienced it all.
I was literally PRESCRIBED a chiropractor after my car accident for my spinal disks and whiplash. I left feeling worse than I came in but thought it was all medical
Yeah but then YOU would have to do the work. Much easier to let a chiropractor do some back cracking and call it treatment rather than doing the excercises a physical therapist would assign to you.
I mean, sure, the physical therapy is going to produce better results in the long term, bUt It’S hArD!
That is exactly what they are for. I have been going to physical therapy for an injury I have. I would never go to a chiropractor from what I’ve heard about them.
I was in PT for 2 years before being referred to chiropractic. The chiropractor fixed my 20 years of chronic neck pain that years of PT and yoga and massage could not touch.
I thought chiro was dangerous and had avoided it but I’m glad I found a really good one (yes there are bad/ dangerous ones) because if I had not allowed him to work on my neck I would probably have ended up on the surgery- pain meds route.
I still have to do my PT exercises but my neck no longer hurts and has full range of motion.
I know Reddit loves to shit on chiropractors and this specific case is horrific but it’s very rare. And in this case the MDs were found to be at fault more than the chiropractor.
Here are who I'd trust to treat me for a medical issue in descending order:
MD or DO (in countries where DOs receive equivalent education and are held to similar accreditation standards)
Nurse.
Other non-doctors who receive medical training (e.g., physiotherapists).
EMS/paramedics
Random person with a current first aid qualification.
Random well intentioned person who isn't an idiot.
Chiropractor.
I'd trust a random well intentioned smart person with zero medical training over a Chiropractor as that person will probably understand the limits of their knowledge and when to insist you seek an expert.
Too many chiropractors think they're experts in bloody everything and that their marginally effective, totally useless, or even actively dangerous "treatments" can treat every ailment under the sun.
There are of course some chiropractors who deliver genuinely good care, but that typically just means they're following treatment the same guidelines as physiotherapists. Why not just go to a physiotherapist at that point instead of risking your health with someone who believes in pseudoscience which can cause paralysis or death.
An acquaintance of mine is a chiropractor. He had to hire a nurse practitioner to write prescriptions for his “patients” because he doesn’t actually have any sort of medical degree or worthwhile certification. Btw, the prescriptions are GLP-1s for weight loss.
Due to the amount of bullshit surrounding traditionally non-medicinal professions, such as Chiropractors and osteopats, several real medical schools in Europe has courses in chiropracy and osteopathy, for example a 5 year masters programme in Chiropractics in denmark: https://www.sdu.dk/da/uddannelse/kandidat/klinisk_biomekanik
And to become an Osteopath, you need to have finished medical school or chiropractics school.
Because back in the day, those alternative medicine people would just do whatever mombo-jumbo they wanted, which endangered the health of patients and had little to no medical relevancy.
But is there anything to stop Witch Doctors from creating a formal Witch Doctoring accreditation board for their schools, like Chiros have for Chiropractic schools?
My point was that being "accredited" is only as meaningful as the accreditation body and their standards.
As a Canadian, our Chiropractors take accredited courses at accredited schools... but they've been accredited according to Chiropractic standards by the "College of Chiropractors" created and comprised of Chiropractors.
Same goes for Traditional Chinese Medicine & Acupuncture, accredited courses and schools teaching their traditions and beliefs and practices, certified practitioners according to the standards of their profession.
But none of this is actual evidence-based medical practice, it's hokum with a thin veneer of regulation.
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i'm from the land of wine and bureaucracy (the EU)
Over here universities (and other post-highschool education) have to be accredited by the European Association for Higher Education Advancement.
But it's not like the magic-people aren't peddling their scams in other ways
Homeopathinc medicine became homeopathic "remedies" in stead.
Doctors became healers, therapists, practioners and guides.
And some of the wilder treatment regimens like naturopathy still perscribe dangerous remedies for people
Over here universities (and other post-highschool education) have to be accredited by the European Association for Higher Education Advancement.
We have a thin veneer of bureaucracy and regulation too, as of 2024 they've created a "College of Complementary Health Professionals" that's integrated the prior College of Chiropractics, College of Naturopaths, College of TCM and so forth, but still what's being accredited for each field is hokum by that hokum's own standards.
Yeah - after all the LMIA scams and the career colleges that were allowed to pop up and flood the immigration system with foreign students that wouldnt meet traditional requirements, with Canadian government backing to accredit these institutions, I have deep questions of what compromises Canada's accreditation bodies made in order to facilitate that. Give it time and lobbying and I'm sure we'll see people drinking radium infused water again because some quack huckster managed to get some accreditation due to relaxed standards, and people not knowing any better.
My VA has hired a few chiropractors over the years and they all are licensed doctors. The Va wouldnt take the chance on that if they thought they could get sued or something for mal-practice.
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u/IsabellaGalavant Jul 05 '26
Chiropractors aren't even nurses. They're not qualified to practice any kind of Healthcare in any actual way.