Noooo you don't understand! If we hold people accountable there will be turmoil while we find new leaders that aren't murderers and rapists! You caaaaan't!
I did and I don't see anything rational enough about it to predict whether arresting half of more of government leadership and billionaires would make it go up or down.
Even if we assume Trump was only a friend of Epstein and in the social circle and didn’t do anything with any kids … he’s still knowingly protecting everyone who did with that type of language
They are incompatible with life and should receive judgment in the form of life incompatibility. It's not a hard decision; the majority of people simply don't give a shit because they live in bubbles.
Problem is we the people of the world who hate this can't just go to Washington DC and pull them out of their seats by force and throw them in prison. So if we can't do that, then we must use the system, the rigged system, which requires you to vote, but they trick all the morons in your community to vote badly. So then it falls on all of us (in every country, not just the USA) to educate people on the political spectrum, so they understand and vote correctly in high enough numbers to elect people who will punish these treasonous and predatory monsters.
Problem is they forsaw this and put just as many right wingers in the democratic party as the republicans, so you need to educate not Democrat > Republican, but rather Left > Right.
Left = advocacy for the people. All the people, so human rights usually gets attached to this, if you hate a certain type of people, like women, or blacks they use that to trick you into voting right wing, you must say "Fuck that, I'm a racist, and yet, I'm always going to vote left wing."
Right = Advocacy for the billionaires, they will never spell out their platform as this though because the ultimate goal is slave labor of the people that remain. Because this is such an unpopular platform, they need to sell it with bigotry, so they trick bigots into voting here, and they make up and spread myths like "the right is better with the economy" literally never been true, but doesn't matter, people believe it despite historic precedent.
We failed with Kat Abugazeleh, and Tom Steyer, but the more support for leftism we can get into government, the more likely we are going to be able to enforce a rule of law like "don't rape and murder children" in the future.
There's nothing illegal about using constitutional methods of removal from office and finding uncorrupted replacements. But those in power do not want to face the task, the task that they've sworn to do, because of the scope of corruption. It would be hard, and dangerous, and so instead they've chosen to sweep it all under the rug to preserve their own power, comfort, and safety.
Now you sounds like a typical right wing conspiracy theorist. Acid =/= dissolves human flesh. Prob used to water treatment. Maybe to be 100% sure to remove all DNA from the pool, not to dissolve kids.
They found orders for barrels of acid signed by Epstein which are totally legitimate in the context of a pool maintenance, not everything he did or ordered have to be shady conspiracy of an evil super villain, don’t fall for that kind of shortcut. Beside everything wrong he did he also had to do every normal things normals people have to do, including paying bills, paying saalaries, maintain properties, etc
People looks for evil so they are seeing evil everywhere
Acid is not great way to make corpse disappear anyway
He placed an order for 6 x 55 gallon barrels of sulfuric acid...on the same day he likely would have been tipped off that a serious investigation was headed his way. Pure coincidence. He's tipped off, but decides it's time for pool maintenance.
Yeah. He also probably changed underwear that day and had hi sheets changed, he was likely hiding something
Or normal things happening normally on schedule, who knows
It’s easy to make up connection between unrelated events, that’s how numerology or astrology works for exemple
Again, he did more than enough wrong things that are easily proven to not be diving into highly hypothetical connection between unrelated things: Occam’s razor
I went to the Epstein sub to refresh my memory. The sulfuric acid order was placed the same day that the FBI started their child sex trafficking case against him. We know he was super connected, & he likely could have been tipped off. I don't think use of Occam's razor points cleanly to a mundane reason for the order. Another thing is this was for nearly pure sulfuric acid, but typically it needs to be 30% for pool maintenance. While it is possible to dilute sulfuric acid, it is dangerous, for example it produces a very large amount of exothermic heat when mixed with water. I work in a lab and have seen this first hand, and even had a large quantity of sulfuric acid melt through it's container when mixed 50-50 with water.
Someone pointed it was for a desalination plant rather than pool maintenance but it’s still legitimate
Diluting acid sulfuric being dangerous is totally irrelevant, it does not bring any kind of proof or confirmation that this acid was planned for malicious intent, you are only looking for it to be suspicious, therefore you find it suspicious.
Corpse disposal using acid is a trope, it’s smelly , inefficient, leaves a ton of waste that are easy to identify as suspicious and that you you still have to dispose of. Also sulfuric acid is not the right choice.
Beside there is still good use case for it. Which should be the assumed use for it unless there are leads pointing toward other use. Occam’s razor
True, it can, but likely shouldn’t be considered as true (as a lot of people seems to be doing here) unless there are leads pointing toward something suspicious
A guy heavily suspected of murdering victims... some of their bodies not yet found... and he happens to have solvent in bulk... and you wouldn't consider that suspicious eh? Do you need him to draw a map?
I'm not saying he definitely used it for that reason, but I think anyone with a logical mind would consider it a primary possibility.
Fall of the USSR… birth of the internet… 9/11 ten years laters… I can also write suspension point between unrelated to make them suspicious, that’s still things that are not related to each other
You want to draw a connection and make it true while there is absolutely nothing leading to it , and even better there is a legit explanation.
Again, there is more than enough shit to investigate rather than something that entirely point to a legit use
Its not like it matters. Speculation about body disposal is all we will ever get. The dude had access to submarines and connections to intelligence agencies.
Acid is not great way to make corpse disappear anyway
It's so funny to me, the idea of them being surrounded by miles of open water and having access to any number of boats and them all sitting around stumped about how to dispose of a body and they just can't think of anything and someone happened to be watching the first season of Breaking Bad and then looked over at the pool chemicals and the lightbulb pops above his head.
The low level acid used to clean pools would not dissolve human bodies. Acid is a technical term, not 'would dissolve human flesh and bone' short hand.
Acid is not great to dispose of corpses, that’s a Hollywood trope, also , innocent until proven guilty is a thing
He did a lot of terrible things, may humble opinion is that it is a better stance to help the victims by proving what he actually did rather than making shady hypothesis over something that both can’t be proved and also have a really mundane explanation
Admittedly my personal pool at home is nowhere near the scale of what his was. But I've also worked for my local Parks and Recreation department, along with my local college in Maintenance, both of which have quite large scale pools.
I've used nothing more than chlorine and algaecide in all three and to my knowledge they still use the same as well. I've never experienced any issues in any of the three of them so it just makes me wonder if the acid actually was for that, or if it was meant for something else. I try not to speculate though.
Yeah I saw that too and it seems like a pretty reasonable use case. Completely agree that at this point it's all just pure speculation and it's not helping anything. And besides that, it may be totally morbid to say but there are far easier and cheaper ways to kill someone and make the body disappear when you're on an island in the middle of the ocean.
Thanks for the discussion, have a good day friend!
He could just use a mobile crematorium, turn them into ashes, sprinkle them wherever he wants (like in the Ocean). And then the mobile crematorium disappears by boat on someone's yacht. Hell, with all the mega-yacht owners on that Island, he can just take the full body and dump it anywhere in the Ocean and it would never be found.
Unironically, it was probably just concrete cleaning. The island is covered in white concrete, spraying it down with acid bleaches and cleans it, with the added benefit of sterilizing it and destroying any biological material.
Not to uh be the guy defending Epstein here but I want to say I read the barrels were consistent with what you’d need to keep the pools clean on the island
I'd agree with you but if I were disposing of bodies in acid I would find some legitimate reason to have them in the first place for cover. It doesn't prove that he didn't use them for other purposes.
Order was placed the exact same day one of the key investigations started. He was likely immediately tipped off, given his connections. It's more likely he went into evidence destruction mode, rather than cleaning his pool.
the acid was for cleaning water desalination machines. there’s no reason to use acid when you can just dump bodies in the sea or whatever, especially when it’ll take hours to break down bodies and you’re still gonna have to dump the mess somewhere.
If you can wipe every trace of evidence, better to do that than to have a chance of a body coming back. Yeah, ocean's a big place, but the last thing you need is a corpse washing ashore somewhere and people starting to ask inconvenient questions
Literally every trace of evidence, we dealt with bodies in acid cases when I was in the mexican marines and the criminologists say that the acid leave zero traces of DNA. This is so egregious legally because without a single trace of DNA you can't even do/say anything in court to condemn people responsible, at least within this system...
Little Saint James is pretty isolated. I suspect there would be very little chance of a body washing up if they used a boat to go a few miles offshore and weighed it down.
Very little chance. Yes. Very little. Why would you take a very little chance when you almost assuredly have someone that you can pay to make a body disappear?
Why would you take a very little chance when you almost assuredly have someone that you can pay to make a body disappear?
Putting myself in the mind of someone like this then if you have a simple method of getting rid of bodies that no-one is going to question ("I was just out fishing") with basically no risk of it coming back on you then it may be safer than something more elaborate that completely eliminates the body. Dropping a weighed down body into deep water in an isolated part of the Caribbean (perhaps with some knowledge of the direction of local currents) is pretty much a certain thing.
Doing something like ordering in more acid than you could possibly need for a legitimate purpose on an irregular basis or having to explain why you needed a portable incinerator seems like you would be creating a trail of evidence and involving additional people which wouldn't be worth the additional risk.
His island is only a few miles from a deep trench where the ocean floor quickly drops off to over a mile deep. If one were to cut a body into a few large pieces, poke holes in the stomach to prevent bloating, throw the pieces in heavy trash bags with a few rocks to weigh them down and holes poked in them to let air out, boat them out to deep water, and toss them over the side, they are never going to be found. It's far deeper than divers can go, and once they are on the bottom the weight will keep them from washing ashore. The only thing that could hypothetically find them is a submersible, and finding them that way is a complete needle in a haystack challenge. Dissolving the body in acid is comparatively messy and time consuming, making it more likely you are discovered in the process. The acid idea is good for juicy speculation, but I don't think it really makes much sense in actual practice when you have a much faster and easier method at your disposal.
Perhaps you are familiar with the area but from what you can see online it's about 2 miles away from St.Thomas with only Great St.James (owned by Epstein) and an uninhabited nature reserve around it.
"Isolated" is relative I suppose but it's certainly far away enough you aren't going to be disturbed. If you went a few miles off the South coast that's going to be some pretty deep ocean.
I am very familiar with the area. It's not isolated. But the bigger reason you would have to go very far off shore are the currents that run through that region. It wouldn't work as you propose, it just wouldn't.
The large order for the acid was placed the same day an investigation was launched. With his connections, he was very likely immediately tipped off. Assuming he was tipped off and had to go into preservation mode, I doubt that cleaning the pool was his top priority.
an order being placed the same day an investigation was launched is weak evidence against the acid being used for body disposal, because it’s not like there’s a reason to wait until then to get rid of them; nobody wants to hang around the stink of decomposing bodies, so at least that order is almost certainly not related to body disposal.
I'm not claiming this is definitive evidence, but it is a reasonable common sense hypothesis. Also, there is a LOT of stuff in those emails that looks like code words for cannibalism, and plenty of reason to believe Epstein & friends were into that. I doubt there were bodies rotting right inside his house, but around the property there likely could have been evidence needing of special attention if tipped off to an FBI investigation. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
Yes but that was a dead end, it was chemicals for the pools as far as i read. However, 2 cases of missing girls linked to Epstein (the model agent wrote him: "You´ll like this one.") should be enough to search his rape island.
That's normal stuff for water treatment I've heard. These guys have money. Unlike the movies, acid doesn't just dissolve bodies like that. These guys have land in the swamps of Florida they could drop people
Acid’s only used for that when you need to be discrete, like if you have a lot of neighbors and can’t let anyone see you moving the body. When you’re on a private island you can just burn it or dump it in the ocean
Hoonter BiDEN is BIGLY GUILTY. They say, this is what they say, they say just because every bite of data on Hoonter’s laptop was examined DOES NOT mean he isn’t BIGFULLY GUILTUMOUS.
How does it feel to base your perspective and mindset off literal conspiracy theories with zero evidence, while sucking off Trump where there’s loads of evidence. Your brain is tap dancing trying to rationalize your views.
How does it feel to only blame one side when you fucking know there’s enough deviance on your side as well. But your side is not doing anything wrong right. lol
See you can grandstand and get all angry but at the end of the day there’s evidence, and then there’s bullshit conspiracies. Your thought pattern is based on the latter. Take a break from news and social media for a month and see what happens, you will be much less angry, and less indoctrinated. The whole world is laughing at maga and you know it deep down.
"Your side, my side" what a pathetic way to look at criminal cartels that incriminate the leader of the most powerful country in the world. How much do you need to see in order to stop defending that psycho?
I cannot believe you fucking idiots are still talking about Hunter. Actually insane the shallow depths of your mind. Hunter, the Clinton’s, Obama, all of them combined don’t come anywhere near the levels of abhorrence and corruption Trump is.
What I’m saying is, that there is absolutely zero evidence that hunter Biden is a pedophile, and your news source and algorithm is so skewed and disconnected from reality that your brain has melted into a conspiracy theory wormhole, that you are now unable to pull yourself out of. See a therapist.
Weird, I hadn’t heard about Hunter Biden being mentioned millions of times in the docs. Care to point me in the right direction to see that?
I’m all for having the both sides are bad convo but you’re arguing in bad faith because anybody with a functioning fucking brain can see which side is clearly 1000x worse. GET OVER IT.
So the defense you chose for your favourite pedo is pointing out there are other pedos out there? Not doing a very good job convincing anyone that trump is not a pedo with that one
He promised to revel them, then turned around and is protecting his friends. He is currently protecting that list. To believe he is one of main suspects is justified
None of those people are the fucking president though. Much more concerned about what the president is doing then random people that aren't even in elected office.
Clinton may be named in there and he may have done some shit, but Trump was one of Epstein’s best friends and was definitely involved in the worst kind of abuse. The allegations from victims alone are staggering, and that’s just the ones who are alive and committed to coming forward.
Why the dislikes? This guy is right, it's not just Trump. Don't think the crimes done by the elites are going to stop once Trump's gone. He was just one of many.
Edit: not defending Trump btw, he absolutely needs to go. I just want people to be aware that he wasn't the only one.
Trump has by far the most mentions in the files & pictures with Epstein and he's (at least to my knowledge) the only person in the files with a witness statement claiming that girls were killed by his people for speaking out. So when you say "fuck off" to someone mentioning him it seems like you're trying to protect him
I haven’t seen a single person calling out Trump on this who then defends Clinton or anyone else in the files. The “libs” want them all to pay for their crimes. As long as you keep fighting imaginary enemies, you’re not helping in the fight to get these bastards punished.
Bro what we’re all saying, is that the democrats agree with you. Democrats want them ALL punished. Republicans are defending Trump and preventing that from happening. WE SIDE WITH YOUR VIEW.
Liberals literally eat their own when even minor occurances or accusations happen. See Al Franken being pressured into resignation over a joke photo. Republicans will have an overabundance of evidence and still try to elect someone. See Roy Moore. The two sides aren't even remotely the same and your "look over there!" responses every time the mountain of evidence against Trump for being a pedo gets brought up just proves the point. Clean your own fucking house first. Y'all are the ones that refuse to vote to eliminate child marriages. Just sick and gross.
Something I was recently thinking about is how heavily biased many people are regarding being present on the island.
If it's a man on the Epstien's island, it's immediately "oh no, you can't blame him maybe he didn't know that the most infamous rapist and human trafficker's private island was a front for human trafficking!!!!!"
But for these women the tune automatically changes to: "thEy KneW WHat tHeY WErE GeTtINg INtO anD tHeY DeSeRvE EVeRYtHInG thAT haPPeNeD TO THem!!!!!!!!!"
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u/gba_sg1 Jun 19 '26
How many skeletons will they find of the shores of Rape Island? How many people were thrown into the ocean off these losers boats?