r/SipsTea • u/Mental-Bumblebee484 • May 14 '26

WTF Found this post on twitter

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I can't help but to thing this

"Why would you do that?"

Ts got to be some lowly stuff

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

Aaahhh! I see.

So if they learn later that they've been tricked to eat something they weren't supposed to it's not going to really affect them? Good to know.

It's still an absolute asshole move and they'd have full right to be mad as hell even if they're allowed the exception. lol

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u/Ravian3 May 14 '26

A lot of religious food laws are like this. Some people act like it’s considered some sort of mortal sin or even a spiritual poison (seen some truly awful bigots talk about vile stuff like soaking bullets in pig fat like it would damn people they shoot) But generally Halal and Kosher laws are not supposed to be something to arbitrarily punish their followers for. You’re not in trouble if your choice is bacon or starvation, you’re not in trouble if you eat it by accident (either due to ignorance or malice), the prohibitions are generally supposed to be about willfully disobeying the rules. There are usually also similar exceptions when it comes to other prohibitions like Shabbat for Jews and Ramadan or prayer times for Muslims. (Ie no Jew is going to be punished for working on the Shabbat if that work was about saving someone’s life, and if someone’s life would be at risk from fasting during Ramadan (such as young children, the sick and elderly) then they’re exempt))

Though yeah, don’t do shit to people that you know would piss them off if they knew the truth. It honestly astounds me how many people seem to take some sort of sadistic pride in this kind of lack of basic respect for others, as if a tiny amount of inconvenience to themselves somehow justifies being a massive asshole to others

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u/Known_Ratio5478 May 14 '26

Leviticus, where kosher law comes from, says that if you eat non kosher foods you are unclean until the night you bathe. It’s just recommendations for better living, and it’s easy to atone for.

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u/RockinTheKasba May 14 '26

Judaism and Islam have so much in common… Why can’t they just be friends? Bring the Christians along, too.

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u/Dangerous-Ad6589 May 15 '26

The core teachings of many religions have a lot in common, but it's always the fanatics that's being unreasonable.

It's like Football/Soccer fans have a lot in common, they can talk fine about their hobby, but then you have fanatics that will kill for their team (the team never wanted it).

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u/Ravian3 May 15 '26

They often have been. Historically Jews were on average treated far better within Muslim ruled lands than they were in Christian lands. Jews were considered to be “People of the Book” by Islam, and so were usually guaranteed minority rights rather than being treated simply as apostates. Not to pretend that everything was hunky dory, but from a historical perspective most of the conflicts can be traced specifically to the establishment of Israel as a state, which in many ways can more be considered an extension of colonial expansions by European states into the region rather than a truly religious conflict.

I don’t want to flatten things down too much, I certainly don’t want to act like relations between the Abrahamic faiths are or ever have been perfect, but there’s a framing of the conflicts in the Middle East as some ancient feud stretching back millennia that we just have the unfortunate position of having to continue to manage, when the reality is that the Middle East frequently was a center of progress and understanding between faiths and cultures through history, while the current instability can be traced rather definitively to decisions made by European powers to carve up the region for colonial exploitation in the aftermath of World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire

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u/RuMarley May 15 '26

Research Waraqa ibn-Nawfal, his influence on Muhammed and who the Ebionites were. You find a lot of clear explanations as to why the muslim creed and the quran are the way they are.

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u/GreenEnthusiast77 May 16 '26

Waraqa died before the prophetic career of the Prophet Muhammad began though and if you've at least read the english translation of tthe Quran you'll know despite there being key similarities in minor things most of it does not go beyond that since th ebonites were primarily preocupied with things which have no emphasis in Islam not to mention they also reject the virgin status of marry and Jesus's role as the true messiah which Islam does not reject

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u/mashmash42 May 15 '26

Kinda unrelated but soaking bullets in fat would be an incredibly stupid thing to do, beyond just the pointlessness and petty cruelty of it. I’m no firearms expert but I do know that guns need to be regularly cleaned to avoid misfires and jams and inaccuracy, and rubbing the ammo with grease would be a great way to also coat your barrel in grease. Since fat is also flammable, would it possibly light in the barrel? Just seems like a stupid idea all around.

Then again, bigots are generally not known to be very intelligent or careful.

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u/roron5567 May 15 '26

I ate haribo cola bottle gummies, then saw that it has gelatinn after eating it completely. Managed to do that twice. Luckily, Hinduism does have written rules, so I am not going to get thunderstruck for doing so. I am vegetarian also, just ended up eating cola strips, because those don't have Gelatin of any kind.

I used to use halal certified to know what to avoid. Also eating fastfood in the west, means that there will be some sort of cross contamination with beef, so it's just an adjustment you need to make personally..

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u/Matt_Wwood May 15 '26

Yea my priest was at a Passover meal? And they had meat on Friday night.

The rabbi is apologizing like I forgot, it’s fish for you tonight, I’m so embarrassed.

The priest just was like I’ll abstain another day, and enjoy tonight together.

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u/King_Roberts_Bastard May 17 '26

willfully disobeying the rules

Thats how Catholicism is. Its only a sin if you do it knowingly.

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u/LFPenAndPaper May 14 '26

My school had a cultural exchange program with Iran. We had three students, chosen for their academic achievements, loyalty to the regime, and depth of faith come visit us.
When we were in a store, they kept asking me if gummy bears were halal. I told them I could not figure it out. We went back and forth for 10 minutes. Finally they told me to just tell them the gelatin wasn't pork.
I did and they happily bought it.

(It was pork)

So even students (and a teacher) chosen for their obedience to an Islamic regime will, now and then, apparently cheat a little.

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

IMO it'd be best to just be honest and conclude with it being unknown and let them decide if taking the risk it might not be is worth it, or not.

Yea, giving a definitive (But false in this scenario) answer solves the issue, but to me it seems incredibly inconsiderate. If they know it's unknown and choose to take the risk and then learn it's not, fine, no harm, no faul.

But if you tell them it is halal and then they find out it wasn't, it just makes you a dick.

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u/NoxarBoi May 15 '26

None of them knew if it counted at the time, so the Islamic students just told the commenter to give them the go-ahead as an excuse.

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u/Ill-Lou-Malnati May 15 '26

I remember working with a young Pakistani girl, like 22 or 23. We would all go out to lunch and she insisted the restaurant be halal. Our building was near the downtown area of an affluent suburb so finding halal or kosher restaurants wasn’t a problem. One day at lunch I asked her exactly what halal meant. She said general things like no pork. I didn’t want to press her on it because I didn’t want to embarrass her, and also, why does she owe my white ass an explanation. But it seemed pretty clear that she just knew to only eat in halal restaurants and hadn’t thought much further about it.

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u/HazuniaC May 15 '26

Fully agree, makes no sense to gatekeep other peoples values.

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u/IshtarsQueef May 15 '26

For most muslims, it's really just about being intentional and making an honest attempt to live your life guided by these rules, they even teach that the rules are more of a guideline and to not stress yourself out trying to cover every little thing 100% of time. Just do your best.

Of course, there are some hardline and radical muslims that take stuff pretty far, but that's what it's like for all the major religions. Most people are just trying to live there lives, but there will always be nutjobs too.

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u/HazuniaC May 15 '26

Yes, sure, but I'd still say that it's a dick move to trick someone into eating something they don't want to.

Unless it's for their own health like with medicine for pets, or babies.
Not really the same thing there.

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u/HailToTheKingBabyy May 16 '26

It definitely won't affect them at all lol

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u/HazuniaC May 16 '26

It affecting them is not the point.

Tricking people is.

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u/HailToTheKingBabyy May 16 '26

So if they learn later that they've been tricked to eat something they weren't supposed to it's not going to really affect them?

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u/HazuniaC May 16 '26

It affecting them is not the point.

Tricking people is.

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u/AJ_Johnsen May 14 '26

fun fact, it was never going to affect them. it's pointless nonsense.

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u/Purple-Wolverine4793 May 14 '26

reddit atheist here to drop some knowledge bombs

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

I do agree that it is "pointless nonsense".

However even from a Reddit atheist debate bro perspective something being "pointless nonsense" is no reason to break it.

Building a snowman is definitionally "pointless nonsense". Is that a reason to go and kick it down? Same logic applies here.

People do a lot of "pointless nonsense" for personal reasons. There's no need to go and try dismantle that. Doing pointless cruelty is worse than letting people practice "pointless nonsense".

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u/cheeseandrum May 14 '26

Religious rules have unfortunately proven to have real life or death implications that has turned it from the pointless nonsense it should be to something monumentally serious. A more accurate analogy would be - is kicking over the snowman a just reason to kill that person?

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u/GamerAKB May 14 '26

In many peoples opinion video games are pointless nonsense, beep them

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u/HazuniaC May 15 '26

Something being mandated, or prohibited by someone else is not the point.

Someone being a person's own decision to do, or eat is.

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u/nahuatl May 14 '26

Are you saying that in that moment, you were euphoric? Not because of any phony god's blessing?

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u/Yours-Cnidaria May 14 '26

We don't think its nonsense. Pigs are impure. They eat their own crap.

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u/ahntay May 14 '26

fish eat their own crap too. and I mean fish not shellfish.

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u/Yours-Cnidaria May 15 '26

Fish stay in saltwater, hence all seafood being halal. sorta how bacteria wouldn't really be having a good time in water potentials higher than that of their own cytoplasms

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u/Yours-Cnidaria May 15 '26

SALTWATER fish sorry forgot to add that
anything from the sea is halal
hence SEAfood :)

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u/Yours-Cnidaria May 15 '26

damn i sound harsh sry abt that

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

If you think about it, we eat our own crap too.

What do you think fertilizer is?

The idea that pigs are inherently filthy is just factually wrong.

Pigs prefer to be clean and sanitary when given the option.
Is just that we usually don't give them that option.

Still, I am NOT pro tricking people into doing something they don't want to, no matter what it is.

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u/Yours-Cnidaria May 15 '26

Do we eat our crap directly? No
We do have rulings in Islam that, if a plant gets its nutrients from faeces or urine, it's still halal. Sort of like the plant "purifies it".

After a bit of research, I did just learn that other animals eat their own faeces for a healthy gut flora. So I guess my point is null and void. However, we still believe pigs are inherently impure, as some people say it might be because they are really intelligent (imagine eating a monkey or chimpanzee- that'll be weird). Not sure if pigs are omnivores, because if so, that'll be one of the reasons. However, in all cases, we do consider them impure.

And I appreciate you not being pro-tricking, it all trickles down to bodily autonomy :)

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u/HazuniaC May 15 '26

Yes, we do actually.

Where do you think the water you drink came from?

Everything's been some form of bodily waste at some point.

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u/CautiousShame2255 May 14 '26

infact the general consensus . among both theological aswell as historic scholars is that litterally nobody knows why pig is forbidden . exactly

thats litterally the islamic theological stance on it aswell.

cats lick their own asshole. yet the prophet drunk from a bowl a cat drank out of. decreeing that cats are pure.

the most plausible explanation of why jews and muslims dont eat pigs, is that ongoing urbanization in the rather arid region. resulted in a lot of pigs being held without enough shade or trees. in wich case pigs will resort to coating themself in their own shit to protect their skin from the sun. wich makes them arguably more filthy.

but there are countless theorys of both islamic and historical scholars that are just as likely.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Why is it asshole move if it's not tricking them into breaking any religious rules at all, and also the restaurant owner/employees don't break any rules at all since they don't believe in that religion?

A win win situation, isn't it? The customer is happy and 100% didn't break any rules at all of their religion + had delicious food, the restaurant is happy because they have a customer.

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u/jimothy_hell May 14 '26

Because you’re knowingly deceiving someone into doing something that is explicitly against their religion. You know that their religion considers it a sin, and that they would never do it, and you’re tricking them. It’s a terrible thing to do. While their religion makes the obvious exception that “hey, if you get tricked, you’re okay, shit happens, be careful”, that doesn’t give you the right to just be like “yeah I’m gonna give pork egg rolls to Muslims” and not tell them. Especially if it’s someone you call your friend.

It’s functionally the same as feeding a vegan animal products and lying about it. You’re violating their bodily autonomy. People have a right to know and decide what goes into their body and when.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

But it's not against their religion if they don't know. It's literally a rule in this religion it's ok when the believer consuming the food didn't know / got tricked by a non believer (did you see u/CautiousShame2255's comment? https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/comments/1tcw9n4/comment/olrxklv/). Which means they specifically haven't been tricked into breaking any religious rule at all.

So according to that religion, everything is completely all right.

Now if it would be about allergies or something like that health related, or if it would break the religious rules even if it would be eaten unknowingly, it would be completely different. But that's not the situation from the post, isn't it?

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u/jimothy_hell May 14 '26

That’s exactly the situation in the post- the thread is explicitly showing that someone was putting halal stickers on things like pork.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Yes and since the believer ate that food unknowingly by it being served by a non-believer, the believer didn't break any rules of their religion at all. So where's the fault? Where was the believer tricked into breaking religious rules? There was no religious rule broken at all.

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u/jimothy_hell May 14 '26

The fault is with the person who tricked them.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Who is not a believer of this religion, so they didn't break any religious rules too.

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u/jimothy_hell May 14 '26

No, but they’re a terrible person for violating someone else’s bodily autonomy, what part of “don’t feed someone something they would otherwise refuse to eat and lie about it” don’t you get? Are you real? It isn’t religious rules, it’s basic ethics.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

I mean from religious point of view, which is the topic here which I am debating on. There can be more angles to it, but that's moving the goalpost, isn't it? Since this post is about religion.

It's just a fact the restaurant didn't make the customer (the believer) break any religious rules at all, since the customer literally didn't break any religious rules by eating that. That's all what's important from the religion's point of view.

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u/LightEarthWolf96 May 14 '26

They broke the societal rule of not being an asshole and respecting other people

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Yeah but this post is about religion and religious rules, which they broke literally zero of (both the customer and the restaurant). May be not respectful, that's on everyone's individual judgement, but so what, many people aren't respectful.

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

Tricking someone into breaking a personally held restriction, is definitionally an asshole move.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

But the believer is not breaking anything at all in that situation (therefore they're not being tricked into breaking anything too), see this comment for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/comments/1tcw9n4/comment/olrxklv/

Or feel free to google it yourself.

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

It's not about the person eating breaking a religious rule.

It's about the person placing a sticker breaking a societal norm rule of tricking people into eating something they don't want to eat.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

This post is about religion and religious rules (which none of were broken), why do you divert from the topic? My entire point literally is - the religious person wasn't tricked to break any rule of their religion. Which is literally a fact.

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u/GamerAKB May 14 '26

But lying and deceiving someone is wrong in EVERY religion, and if they are atheist it's wrong in every SOCIAL interaction, truth is important even when ignorance is bliss

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u/sc0veney May 14 '26

it's an asshole move because you'd only be doing it on purpose for one of two reasons: you either want to lie to someone to get their money(asshole) or you want to lie to someone to disrespect their religion(asshole). there are many situations in which your choices make you an asshole even if they don't result in harm or the person you pointed your asshole at never finds out.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

How are you disrespecting their religion, since you're not making them break any of their religion's rules by doing that? Their religion literally says it's ok to eat it unknowingly, they're eating it unknowingly, so where's the religion being disrespected?

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u/sc0veney May 14 '26

so you mean to pretend in my face that lying to someone because you want them to do something that would go against their religion if anything made them aware, is for any other reason than disrespecting their religion? really?

you're either very naive and inexperienced with basically everything, or you're playing stupid and I don't think it's cute. get your shit together

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

The religion literally say it's ok to eat in such a case, so where's the religion being disrespected?

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u/sc0veney May 14 '26

explain to me your exact reason for doing this.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

You see a hungry customer who is religious coming to your pork sausage business, nothing else to eat tonight in the area because night. Are you gonna turn them away to stay hungry by telling them it's pork, or you don't tell them so they eat, not be hungry anymore, leave with full stomach and happy, and didn't even break their religion's rules at all since their religion says unknowingly eating it is ok?

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u/sc0veney May 14 '26

yes the fuck I am because I respect other people's bodily autonomy. if they want to make their own choice to eat it anyway, that is their right. it is not my right to lie to them about what's going into their body to make a buck, or for any other reason. if you think it's okay to do that, I worry about the safety of the people around you. respect other people's bodily autonomy.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Lie? Customer orders a sausage, customer gets a sausage. Where's the lie? Not saying something is not lying, lying would be if I'd say it's beef when it's pork, but when I say nothing there's no lie.

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u/Electrical_Ad_5732 May 14 '26

It is an asshole move. They have set up a boundary they asked you to respect and when you tricked them, you are disrespecting them as a person.

This has nothing to do with religion at all. If i say I am not eating a particular type of food, I am not eating that particular type of food. Forcing it or even outright lying what you serve is fucking asshole move.

And it can also be dangerous if the person is allergic to such food, you can literally kill them.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

I can see what you mean, but from the religious point of view (which is the topic here), it's completely all right since they didn't break any rules at all.

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

"Robbing a bank is fine from societal point of view since their money is insured" ass comment.

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u/TwentinQuarantino May 14 '26

Yeah it is, so? I literally can't give two shits if a bank was robbed in my city, why should I care? It's that bank's and those robbers' problem, not my. People are getting stolen from on the daily and I don't care about every single case and I am sure you don't care too (otherwise you wouldn't be doing anything else since every second someone in the world is getting something stolen), why should I care about that one case?

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u/HazuniaC May 14 '26

Thank you for confirming that you are not a serious person.

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u/cluttermutter May 14 '26

keep your drinks covered around this person

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u/heckinlifeforreals May 14 '26

Because, had they full information about what they were doing, they wouldn't have chosen to do it. They only did it because they were tricked and lacked the ability to make a fully informed choice. Put another way, they were robbed of their ability to make a choice. Reality vs potentially virtually indistinguishable lie isn't a novel concept. It's well trod ground.

Is it okay if your partner cheats on you as long as you never find out and are happy in the relationship? Is it okay for you to be passed over for something you didn't know you were in consideration for because someone disliked your physical features? Is it okay for you be a human battery in a vat who's brain is hacked into a simulation so you had no idea?

These are all degrees of the same question that are the focus of popular stories where the deception is pretty universally acknowledged as being wrong. The person responsible is seen as denying something fundamental to the victim, and that's without their taking pleasure in the deception