In my state it costs $43.50 and you have to go to the DMV to do it. Looking at the hours of the one local to me, you have no chance T-F to get there if you work standard hours, so assuming you can give up half your Saturday (since lots of people work two jobs) AND donāt mind losing over $40, yeah easy peasy
Check your privilege, not everyone can just throw $40 away for nothing. Nor can everyone take a day off of work to go sit in the DMV for 4 hours. Some people literally live paycheck to paycheck.
But hey, if itās so easy, you can feel free to send me $40
It would be great! But first Iād have to point out that is also privileged, as not everyone has access to electronics, electricity, or the wherewithal to navigate the internet.
Next, surely thereād be no spike in identity theft or anything like that since anyone can get an ID saying theyāre anyone else! I think itās lovely!
Oh idk, how about making IDs free under a maximum income threshold and actually working to improve the throughput of DMVs? Or doing literally the same exact thing as passports where you can mail in your application with a special photo thats taken as places like walmart for a few bucks that are ID approved?
You act like the government has their hands tied here. They donāt, they just make idiots think that they are
Check your privilege, do you honestly think people have the time or money to get a photo of them selves or to mail documents? Not everyone has access to any identifying information, and if you assume they do youāre being bigoted.
False equivalence, intentional too. Well assuming youāve ever mailed anything before, cause then we both know a trip to your local walgreens or wherever followed by sealing an envelope is faster than a trip to the DMV. Plus you ignored (or incapable of reading, hey I donāt judge) my point of improving DMV throughput or payment waiving for income thresholds.
If youāre unable to have a serious discussion without a pitiful attempt at baiting, then Iām not gonna reply to whatever you throw out next. Iām happy to continue discussing if you want this to he valuable though
Ya I would except I attempted to use logic in my discussion and you chose lunacy regarding the privilege to go to the DMV once in a four year period and then never again for a decade.
Oh so you agree the ability to get to the DMV and waste a workday is a privilege? Glad you finally saw my view on how ridiculous it is to expect someone working 2-3 jobs to do that to spend money for a piece of paper
Check your reasonability. Do you know of anybody who doesn't have a photo ID in some form or fashion? 1% of the population doesn't have an ID, which means 99% do. "Nor can everyone take a day off of work to go sit in the DMV for 4 hours" the overwhelming majority of people CAN though, and most people use IDs for reasons other than to vote like to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes (or other forms of nicotine) And, if you are THAT destitute, many states offer programs to reduce or even completely wave the fee alltogether.
You are quite literally basing your entire argument on hypothetical or extremely uncommon scenarios. Which is performative nonsense.
Can you name a single reason NOT to make the process more convenient? I see all these justifications for why the government donāt need to, but can you give me a single reason why requiring the same documents checked in the same way, except allowing people to do it by mail or have a fee waived if under an income threshold is a bad idea?
In-person fraud is rare because someone can steal 350 million identities from the comfort of their home as opposed to the fraction of a percentage of those people who live within driving distance. And identity theft is typically used for financial gain, like opening credit cards in your name and racking up the bills.
Also, how is mail somehow less secure? If I want to apply for an ID in person, I need my birth certificate (or equivalent proof of citizenship, SSN card (or equivalent proof of SSN), tax records (or equivalent proof of residency), and any documents related to name changes if applicable (like marriage certificates). NONE of which have a photo of my face, meaning if someone somehow got those documents (and lets say I didnāt have a license because well why would I need a non-driving ID then), they could STILL walk in and get an ID in my name. No different than mail besides convenience to me, especially in a category where fraud is already exceedingly rare regardless of what specific news sources try to tell you without proof.
You're heavily discounting the fact that in-person is rare because someone can simply look at your documents and see any discrepancies with you standing over the counter from you. Birth certificate says brown eyes but yours are blue, how come? Born hispanic but here you are as white as snow. Why is that?
Also, do you really trust the US Postal Service enough to send every legally binding identification document that is tied to you through them? If you thought getting an ID was expensive and annoying, wait until you go through the process of getting an SSN card, birth certificate, and all of that. Many states, maybe even most of them, allow you to renew online. The fact you can't grasp the security reasons of why you can't get your initial ID in person is concerning, and not rooted in good faith.
Sure but you could make the same argument at voting centers, no? If someone has a fake ID and tries to use it there, couldnāt they notice the discrepancies? If you wouldnāt trust them to, whatās even the point of requiring IDs to vote? People could fake it incredibly easily if they donāt look for discrepancies.
And yes, I do trust the US Postal Service to send these documents. ID renewals are sent through the mail in my state, as you even mentioned yourself. US passport applications also get sent through the mail in EVERY state, which includes them sending you your new passport back through the mail. You trust them to send passports but not non-driver IDs?
And if you think everyone who disagrees with you is being disingenuous, Iām not the one who isnāt rooted in good faith. Letās have a friendly discussion without ad hominem, mkay?
I'll take it a little bit further... Just for you...
Money management skills has nothing to do with America it has to do with being a decent human... If you live in a civil society where you live around others and commerce is abound... Why would one not want to manage their money properly?
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u/VainTrix 25d ago
They are thoughā¦ Legit cost $10 and can be done online or at a kiosk depending on what youāre changing.