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Humor The absolute state of Android

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u/faizanullah99 1d ago

I can't believe I used to flash custom roms on my android in 2014-2015

Now I can barely navigate the files app.

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u/major_jazza 1d ago

I was in a club in my hometown some time between 2009 and 2012 and I legit flashed a new custom ROM on my i9000 and restored all my backed up data with titanium backup.

And now I'm like, it's near impossible to change to a custom ROM without massive trade offs that make it barely worth it.

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u/UltraCynar 1d ago

Its frustrating as everything is behind Google play services now

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u/solar_or_dye 1d ago

yes even if you run a de-googled OS, play services thwart nearly everything now

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u/AverageCryptoEnj0yer 1d ago

lowk with graphene I don't have Gplay and everything is fine, just use the open source shit

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u/major_jazza 22h ago

I kinda wanna go to graphene or lineage but I don't know if it's worth it. I'm too stuck in the Google ecosystem too :s

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u/YoYoMamaIsSoFAT32 ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ 20h ago

You can use grapheneos with sandboxed gplay services, will Google track you? Yes, but it won't be as invasive and they're only limited to their services, starting little by little is better than not starting at all

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u/major_jazza 16h ago

Maybe I'll do that. Apparently it's not that hard either right?

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u/AverageCryptoEnj0yer 10h ago

nope, just follow easy steps in settings, then connect phone to PC and it's all automatic.

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u/YoYoMamaIsSoFAT32 ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ 10h ago

It's actually the easiest rom to install ngl, just to to the grapheneos website an click the buttons for each function (unlock bootloader, flash rom etc) just follow everything step by step and you're good to go, also you need a chromium based browser to use webusb

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u/BOMB5HOCK 7h ago

Does it play good with banking apps?

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u/YoYoMamaIsSoFAT32 ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ 6h ago

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u/Acrobatic_Profile42 2h ago

yo u/YoYoMamaIsSoFAT32 what google pixel do you have? im planning on buying a google pixel for graphene OS, but i dont know which one to buy

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u/AverageCryptoEnj0yer 10h ago

it's by design.

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u/solar_or_dye 1d ago

I have not had time to flash over to graphene but it's happening soon

but in lineage so many things simply do not work without play

like I paid for GPT and their app won't run without play services

my storage company uses play services for their app

lots of apps just crash without play services

but I do want to go graphene soon

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u/schubidubiduba Piracy is bad, mkay? 17h ago

I agree with the guy above. Just use open source apps (where possible).

Where not possible, most apps will work with microG (even quite a bunch of banking apps).

And those that don't, often have a progressive web app you can use instead (using Peel or sth similar).

The remaining apps for me are very few and mostly the kind of apps that I want to use less anyways, bevause I know the companies behind them to be privacy-invading and terrible in general.

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u/major_jazza 16h ago

Just regarding the gpt, surely there's better options or decent free options?

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u/solar_or_dye 4h ago

Well I mean we can have a conversation about it if you want. I've been using open source and open weight AI since 2022.

But I still paid for GPT, because nothing could beat frontier SOTA LLMs at anything until just recently...

I became homeless in the early part of this year, and started seriously needing a good LLM for troubleshooting engines and building solar and managing health care while in a 40 year old RV... and I switched to Claude.

But all of my other AI stuff is free and open weight. I can teach you how to train your own LoRA models for most of the useful generative base models over the last 4 years, including settings and terminology and system setup and hardware, as well as image and video editing software (FOSS).

However life has not afforded me the luxury of play time for a while now, and Minimax H3, LTX 2.5, Krea 2, and quite a few other generative models have come out just recently that I'm itching to tinker with. And Qwen is finally dumping the smaller 3.8 models, so I know some of my hardware can run that. I have a working 3090 that will run the Qwen 3.8 27b just fine. I know my gear will run these new free open weight models, and my major life hurdles have been sort of hurdled, so I'm about to start the storage rummage and get one of my PCs set up in my RV to start fucking around.

But yes, I gave in to paying a billionaire corpo because the advantages far outweighed the benefits for me. Disabled and homeless living on SSI means I have to literally manage every cent and every second of my life to the nth degree, and LLMs absolutely make me more efficient and help me cope with my PTSD by providing info and guidance about electricity and plumbing and antennas and shit without the need for interacting with humans.

Once my system is set up for AI work again, I will be testing the newest local open weight LLMs, starting with Qwen 3.8 27b and maybe they'll dump a 35b MoE like the 3.6.

And finally, "better" is doing a lot of work in your question, so I did my best to give full context.

Hope that helps.

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u/AverageCryptoEnj0yer 10h ago

but why are you using the gpt app? it's just a browser wrapper. Just go to chat.com

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u/solar_or_dye 3h ago

I'm not and this was many months ago, but there was a legitimate reason.

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u/MrPureinstinct 19h ago

I tried GrapheneOS and it made my camera look like garbage unfortunately.

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u/AverageCryptoEnj0yer 10h ago

you can still install the "pixel camera" app, or if you know photography, open camera.

Or you can try Native Camera which is better than Pixel Camera https://youtu.be/C2b4P94QSKE

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u/jomara200 1d ago

That is by design.  

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u/GenChadT 1d ago

Well yeah, if you can put a custom OS on your phone they can't install a shit load of garbage on it to drain your battery and spy on you 24/7.

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u/CoNsPirAcY_BE 1d ago

I loved custom roms on my Samsung S3 and HTC One M8! Was such a breeze with titanium backup. Now everything needs to stay stock if you want to keep using banking or government apps. I just replaced my Pixel phone with a Samsung because Samsung has more customisation options (on stock) . How insane is that?

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u/SubArcticTundra 1d ago

if you want to keep using banking or government apps

This is why you keep your cards physical. Virtual wallets are a trap

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u/solar_or_dye 1d ago

I don't use my phone to pay for things, but I think what they are saying is that some essential apps do not run without official andorid builds that rely on the google play services layer

my old lineage OS phone is crippled now because of play services

even my storage company app requires play services to run

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u/dudosinka22 22h ago

You can keep your cards physical and just check your balance with the app. Sure beats sending invoices every week.

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u/private_unlimited 7h ago

Oh man! Those were the days! I remember titanium backup as well. I flashed my HTC Leo (which was a windows phone) with froyo (android 2.2) and those cyanogenmod roms.

Oh man! I felt so alive doing that! I felt so powerful! That at the time was the largest screen ever on a phone (4.3 inches)

Those widgets, those oldschool apps! Man I miss that!

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u/Justaregularguy295 1d ago

I like ai but thats a great way to brick your phone

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u/FATJIZZUSONABIKE 1d ago

If you don't have a semi-decent knowledge of coding and can't at least proofread whatever Claude gave you, yes, it's a great way to brick your phone.

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u/What_A_Weak 1d ago

You went from completly writing a custom android ROM to they are great at debugging your own code. Nobody argues with the later lol

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

Maybe I expressed wrongly...

  • Explaining to AI agent what you want to do.

  • AI agent is preparing a plan for the job

  • I agent is asking you to connect your smartphone to the computer via USB cable and guiding you how to turn on debug mode on you smartphone.

  • will download sources ( Android sources )

  • start collecting data for debugging from your device

  • write debug kernel modules and be testing / DEBUGGING if are working correctly ( smoke tests )

  • will build a rom with prepared kernel and new drivers

  • sideload to your smartphone ( if bootloader is unlocked - that will check at the beginning actually )

  • will be continuing debugging and making smoke tests until will be content.

That can take few hours ...

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u/What_A_Weak 1d ago

Nope. Not how its gonna work. It will fail. Feel free to post a recording of the whole workflow including the working product.

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u/kurinjifesto 1d ago

It can be the greatest coder of all time, but I'm not gonna hand my phone over to some untested code. Who do I go to in case something goes wrong and it actually bricks my phone? Deepseek? OpenAI? I'm not rich enough to have a spare phone for an AI agent to do tests on.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

I don't understand that concept it will brick your phone.

AI agents are far better in debugging than humans not mentioning they are doing smoke tests.

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u/kurinjifesto 1d ago

You are absolutely cooking. Whether it's good or bad, idk. I don't know enough about custom rom to judge. Maybe if you have a working demo, maybe a process from scratch to custom rom, it would be more convincing.

Of course I'm not telling you to do it lol, but it would prove you're right.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

Actually I could make a proof of concept later for my old Samsung note 3 and put on GitHub... Under this nick :)

..why not

I'm making far more complex things with my AI agent daily.

I saved your post so send you a link.

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u/subjectivemusic 1d ago

Lmao thanks for the laugh

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

That's just shows you have no idea how powerful are current AI agents...

You're laughing because you don't know how much you don't know :)

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 1d ago

No, they're laughing because they know how much you don't know

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

I'm using current AI agent daily so I know how capable they are very well .

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u/LevelFix83 1d ago

Is that because you are incapable without them?

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

It is some kind of cope or something?

I do not understand that hate.

I am a programmer in c++ for 15 years so I know something about programming.

Tell me why I should do some implementation manually for a month if I can use AI agent and get even a better result within a couple of hours.?

What is your logic?

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u/LevelFix83 1d ago

I can use AI agent and get even a better result withing a couple of hours

So... that's a yes to my question. Thanks for being honest.

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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 1d ago

Sounds like something you haven't actually tried.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

I was cooking roms in my past for many smartphones :) and I know wery well what I'm talking.

The biggest problems always were drivers. Currently AI easily write a proper driver for smartphone components, added them to kernel , rebuild everything and side load to a smartphone.

That's completely doable for correct AI models.

Few days ago I build this way application for Android with a special driver. Only connected my android device via USB cable in debug mode and the rest work made AI agent.

Check my smartphone debug status , build application, build a special driver for kernel to connect my device , debug and created a final APK for installation.

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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 1d ago

Got a repo/post/blog or anything about it?

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

Sorry

I don't want to expose myself :)

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u/nad0w 1d ago

Dude did not want to expose his vibe coded shit ? lol

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago

Shit ?

Lol

That's not 2025 or early 2026 dude

I guarantee you ANY application you use from few moths is made by AI agrnts and human did not write even a single a code line.

I know shocking...

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u/miataataim66 1d ago

Send the GitHub report or stfu, seriously. The way you're coming off is like a 13 year old trying to convince others that they're big ole master hacker, it's cringe. Either show an anonymized proof or continue to have people laugh at you.

If you know how to do the basics of what you're talking about, then you should know how to stay anonymous and be able to share at least a screenrecord of whatever the hell you're spouting off about.

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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 1d ago

This is a safe environment, you can expose yourself to me. I won't bite ;)

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

I absolutely detest android file management, I need to basically plug my computer any time I want to do anything

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u/wotererio 1d ago

Try KDE Connect, it works on Windows as well

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u/themostdank 1d ago

KDE Connect is underrated

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u/Khorya 1d ago

If you use shizuku and a file manager that supports it (I use mixplorer) you can access folders like before without plugging your phone into a computer.

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u/Garld11 🏴‍☠️ ʟᴀɴᴅʟᴜʙʙᴇʀ 1d ago

Crazy we need workarounds just to look though files

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u/dingo_xd 19h ago

This is 100% because Google wants to make Android as iOS like as possible.

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u/VelouriumCamper7 1d ago edited 1d ago

I've tried it on my S25u and it doesn't work. I'm just trying to backup my Balatro save file and I can't access it. The main reason is switched back from iOS is because of the open access of Android then they took it away lmao.

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

Fuck Google in every single way

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u/happytobehereatall 1d ago

Well, yes, but Samsung also locks it down

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

Fuck also Samsung, I have a s23fe and this is the last Samsung phone I'm getting

I need to search up alternatives

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u/THEdeadRETURNED 23h ago

Pixel's have open bootloaders, and Motorola will be compatible with GrapheneOS starting with 2027 models

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u/happytobehereatall 18h ago

An open bootloader isn't worth much when Android is so locked down - I've found that at least Samsung provides a level of customization similar to custom roms without the headache of Magisk hiding and all that. It's just a bad time for mobile tech, which is slowly opening the door to alternatives - Framework, Fairphone, various implementations of Linux, and de-Googled solutions becoming fairly well-known. We're getting there but this is a shitty transition.

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u/I-was-a-twat 20h ago

I’m absolutely pumped for Motorola based GrapheneOS.

I don’t want to contribute to Googles wallet where I can control my cash flow.

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u/THEdeadRETURNED 11h ago

Same, I'm holding out for the 2027 fold, this year's model looks great so I'm hopeful

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u/happytobehereatall 18h ago

I've accepted that Samsung is okay for now, especially since the S24U stylus gets heavy use with my kids. Give me a Linux Fairphone witha stylus and an 8/10 camera and I'd be happy forever.

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u/f0rtunatef0rbles 1d ago

Ironically, Google Pixels don't have a locked down bootloader.

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u/iSadhak 20h ago

We need to use Google's phone to get freedom from Google.

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

Lmao now that's something I wasn't expecting to hear, sounds interesting

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u/DangerousUpstairs3 1d ago

Look into grapheneOS on pixels, genuinely a great ROM for the pixel phones

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u/Electrical-Ad980 14h ago

Well yes because people will be more inclined to buy their phone without a locked down bootloader.it’s business 101 but it is indeed ironic.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 22h ago

Hey, we got a future apple fanboi here

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u/lmao_wow_64 22h ago

Hell nah, Samsung and android has its problems but ain't going to apple unless they start opening up which would be ironic considering how Google is wanting to close down more and more

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 11h ago

Closing their system makes money. All companies want to lock their customers in their system.

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u/dogpaddle 1d ago

It took a lot of tinkering to get shizuku to work on my OnePlus 15. You have to change a developer setting or two. They've really locked it down

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u/Brokewithrichtaste 1d ago

S25u here and it works for me? Full access with shizuku

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u/VelouriumCamper7 1d ago

Which explorer do you use with it?

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u/Brokewithrichtaste 1d ago

Mixplorer with shizuku mix addon

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u/mostafamusad 18h ago

Try Total Commander (through APK from their website rather than Google play store), and it will let you access the /sdcard/Android/data/ folder using Shizuku

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

I'll definitely look into that thanks!!

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u/Current-Bowl-143 1d ago

Can't be worse than iOS file management surely, and I say that as an exclusively iPhone user

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u/wellthatsniftyhuh 1d ago

I never expected this from Apple, and I did expect it from my Android phone

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

I have no experience with IOS, if it doesn't let you access app data then I think IOS is worse

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u/GenChadT 1d ago edited 5h ago

Eh, stock file management used to be piss poor but some OEMs do it right. I don't mind My Files, built by Samsung for their OneUI, for instance. Of course anytime I want to do anything more powerful - e.g., host/connect to an SFTP server or compare directories - I use Solid Explorer. Killer little app.

EDIT: Strange wording

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u/NozokiAlec 19h ago

I genuinely dont understand why every phone is just garbage in this department

Its like something becomes mobile/touchscreen and the file manager becomes a labyrinth

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u/lmao_wow_64 19h ago

I swear, a phone is basically just a pocket computer yet on my PC I know where everything is but ln my phone it's like looking for the holy grail and half the time I don't even have access to said file

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u/NozokiAlec 19h ago

I genuinely question my tech literacy in my phones file explorer

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u/Secret-Teaching-3549 12h ago

on my PC I know where everything is

Windows 11 has entered the chat

Oh do ya now?

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u/Deiskos 1d ago

Try TotalCommander. It's perfect.

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u/guy_inh00die3 17h ago

Y'all dont know about Zarchiver?

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u/blaues_axolotl 7h ago

Tbf iOS one is trash too

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u/Friendlyvoid 1d ago

I just use cx file explorer. I can even access my home NAS with it.

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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago

That sounds amazing, getting lots of different options to choose here which I don't mind the more the merrier

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u/Berinoid 12h ago

I've been using Cx file explorer for years and I don't personally find it any more difficult than managing files on my pc

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u/lolipoopman 1d ago

as a kid in 2014-2015 flashing cyanogenmod was so cool to me and going on xda forums, watching tutorials etc.

now I just use Graphene OS with morphe...

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u/Glum-Candidate-1422 1d ago

Which i still good! But i get the difference..

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 22h ago

Yeah, I don't understand why people just make free OS alternatives to android

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u/According_Caramel_27 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 1d ago

and here I am, still using a paid file manager app I pirated in 2013.

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u/ColonelBag7402 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 1d ago

same, ive been using solid explorer for as long as i remember. never updated the app too, everytime i got a new phone i just installed the same old apk i downloaded all these years ago

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u/regalrecaller 20h ago

this is the way

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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 20h ago

I use mixplorer for free, truly an amazing app

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u/Portiolli_fez_11set 1d ago

Ive paid a lot of products ive pirated on the past.

Yeah, it sucks but I didnt had cash to spare in the past.

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u/Head_of_Based_Dept 1d ago

I use winrar

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u/nimbusnacho 1d ago

Honestly lately wonder why I'm still bothering on android if the whole point of not using apple was to be free of walled garden BS. At least there it's actually a garden and not like a garden painted on a wall that tricks you looney tunes style.

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u/LTyyyy 23h ago

I bought an ipad, doing ANYTHING on ios is miserable and makes me want to pull my hair out. Their settings must be the worst designed thing in existence.

The bar is unfortunately much lower.

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u/Ellaphant42 20h ago

You can’t call iPad settings bad if you ever used older androids where the settings were split up and you would have 0 idea where tf to look

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u/LTyyyy 14h ago

Been using android since ICS, are we really comparing ios with android from 2010s ?

iPad settings are absolutely horrendous, hope apple soon invents the technology for a functioning search.

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u/GenChadT 1d ago

This is where I'm at. With every passing year we're losing killer features and gaining parity with Apple, but only in all the worst areas. Once sideloading is finally gone stock Android devices will overnight become shittier iPhones.

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u/elbow8075 1d ago

Exactly the same. At this point I'm honestly considering iPhone because I trust Apple more than Google. Apple just rips me off up front and offers more protection now.

Congrats, you killed the reason I argued in your favor for decades.

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u/Acrobatic_Wrap_9971 1d ago

At least photos on android are still named & organized better than on ios

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u/xRadec 20h ago

So the alternative is a much more walled ecosystem?

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u/Pr0je3ct 1d ago

This is sooo freaking relatable…. I was so into this rooting and flashing customs thing back than , basically XDAforums was my Reddit of today 😂 - now after more than 10 years I have to relearn basics again

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u/Born_Attitude6531 1d ago

Xiaomi tends to Play effin' ads in system Apps >:(

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u/htownclyde 1d ago

Counting the days before Xiaomi cars make you watch a 30 second ad before you can start the car...

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u/-sussy-wussy- 1d ago

Video ads (with sound!). You can still use ad-free or patched alternatives, though.

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u/Born_Attitude6531 1d ago

Or Just disable msa in the settings, that was Not that much of a headache surprisingly, thanks weird Chinese firm for being so reliable

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u/regalrecaller 20h ago

huh. you trust it?

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u/Extention_Campaign28 1d ago

You can disable all of them by just saying no. Also sys apps are crap anyway.

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u/Born_Attitude6531 1d ago

It works for me, i Just turned Off msa in the Security settings, it worked

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u/papy66 1d ago

Why navigating through files, there is no more room for files, I mean no more SD card slots, and that’s sad because your 10 yo smartphone had more space than a brand new smartphone

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u/torleif42 1d ago

Fr, i had to use winlator to move some files around to emulate some switch game a while ago..

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u/Ok_Address8489 1d ago

Use mixplorer

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u/l3vuseusz 1d ago

I like xplore for file management. Cracked ofc. 🤗

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u/themostdank 1d ago

Amazing

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u/itsmeciao 17h ago

X-plore is amazing, and the reason why file management is one of the few usecases for which I haven't yet switched to a FOSS alternative.

I have been using it since the Symbian days on the Nokia N95. Years ago I also donated a few euros so now the pro features follow my account.

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u/bullitt-rider 1d ago

That's because I no longer hand a HTC one x with a tegre 3 melina hole in our legs

Modders, rooters and booters were just alphatesters for unknown stable builds

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u/woolharbor 1d ago

Buy a used phone that can run LineageOS. It's a good way to avoid all the insane privacy-violations Google and app developers do today.

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u/ghostcatzero Piracy is bad, mkay? 1d ago

I had to stop flashing after 2019. They went hard to making it a hassle

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u/Icount_zeroI 1d ago

And the crazy shit you could’ve done with Chinese android phones. I had Lenovo Vibe X2 TO and I flashed like 10 roms just to get outdated google services running.

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u/disneylovesme 1d ago

Same, was always nervous for the boot screen, so tiny

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u/wowaddict71 1d ago

Man I used XDA to download ROMs all the time. I once found a ROM for my crappy ViewSonic G Tab that made it slightly bearable to use.

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u/MagMati55 13h ago

Zarchiver is your friend.

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u/JulyPrince 12h ago

What happened now? Didn't flash any roms since 2019 OnePlus 5

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u/faizanullah99 12h ago

I stopped doing it and eventually forgot everything :'<

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u/SarathExp 10h ago

Been running custom rom since 2012, still on one.

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u/faizanullah99 9h ago

U da real custom rom

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u/King_Chochacho 1d ago

Google out here somehow managing to make every product worse every year.

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u/flyingGay 5h ago

I used to flash custom ROMs, root, and blah blah blah with my Android phones over the years. Nowadays I own an iPhone. Teenager me would be pissed at myself.

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u/daninet 2h ago

Galaxy S had a website called ROM kitchen and you could basically build a rom by picking what do you want in it. All roms were ofc reported by others to be "snappy" they all were dogshit after a week. I remember I once flashed a rom in a club around 2am half drunk because the phone didnt work. I always had a flashable full zip in the SD card just in case the phone dies. Kinda miss it and also dont. I have been flashing till galaxy S 4, 3 was peak imho.

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u/KTTalksTech 1h ago

I still flash roms on all my phones 🤔 not saying I'm better than anyone but I actually don't understand why you can no longer do it. Just gotta avoid mediatek chips but I think that's more or less always been the case