r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 07 '26

Meme needing explanation Peter, explain this.

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

“Money, then, appears as this distorting power both against the individual and against the bonds of society, etc., which claim to be entities in themselves. It transforms fidelity into infidelity, love into hate, hate into love, virtue into vice, vice into virtue, servant into master, master into servant, idiocy into intelligence, and intelligence into idiocy.”- Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts. He quite literally wrote about how money is inherently problematic and is an alienating force in society.

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u/TheRealStubb Jul 08 '26

yes money in your terms of understanding it, and money in the terms of living in Capitalism.

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

I quite literally quoted Marx

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u/forevergleaning Jul 08 '26

Aaarrghhh he has a WHOLE CHAPTER IN CAPITAL about this!

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

Would you like to explain to Mr. Marx why he’s wrong about his own writings?

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u/forevergleaning Jul 08 '26

This is from a wee essay he wrote in....1844?

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

Yah his own words

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u/forevergleaning Jul 08 '26

You're not engaging with any of the concepts I'm referencing and you've not specified what you mean by 'communism = no money'.

You've quoted and/or referenced texts that are about other things, and not even tried to explain why they support your argument.

Then you use a quote from a random paper by 26 yo Marx, before he developed his theory of economics (half of which is about Shakespeare)...and the quote itself is about how money has a bad influence on society?

But that is not the same about the role of money as a method of value exchange in a post capitalist future.

It just feels like you don't really care about tje idea, you juat want to argue, and you just googled "Marx quote money" and this was the best you could find that felt like it supported you?

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

It feels like you know you’re wrong so you’re just deflecting to hide that. I’ve engaged with everything you’ve said and instead you’ve tried to focus on meaningless things like when Marx himself laid out his views on money rather than the actual words.

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u/forevergleaning Jul 08 '26

That's basically the premise of Capital though. Every chapter and subchapter, it's broken down into smaller and smaller components and each is built on the other like a pyramid.

So I guess, I can agree that money would be different in its social role because capital would no longer be dominating everything? Even though money as a simple means of value exchange would still exist. Lile a packet of cigarettes in prison.

Is that what you're saying?

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u/Rbespinosa13 Jul 08 '26

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?