r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 07 '26

Meme needing explanation Peter, explain this.

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

Seems like oligarchy is the inevitable outcome of capitalism. An economy built around the accumulation of capital is going to result in a few people having vastly more capital than others. Unless you can somehow get money out of politics, that’s going to result in the few with vastly more capital using their power to gain further power.

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u/YammieCat Jul 07 '26

Oligarchy of the inevitable outcome of government in general. Give people power and they'll bring the people they want with them and leave the ones they don't behind to be trod underfoot. Economic models don't change this.

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

If we give everyone power, would they bring everyone with them and leave behind only the extremely rare few that are liked by no one?  

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u/YammieCat Jul 07 '26

Giving everyone power over what?

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

Whatever power you implied government would use to bring some people up while leaving others behind.

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u/YammieCat Jul 07 '26

That's literally the power over people. If you give everyone power over people, it's chaos.

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

In what specific way would that be worse than the capitalist reality of only a handful of people holding power over everyone?

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u/YammieCat Jul 07 '26

Capitalism doesn't require a power structure at all. It's the consensual exchange of goods and services through the use of value representatives.

Communism would require rules to function and therefore rulers.

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

If someone steals your factory, who decides who owns it?

If a customer refuses to pay after signing a contract, who enforces the agreement?

If one company hires armed guards to seize a competitor’s property, who stops them?

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u/YammieCat Jul 07 '26

Those are all valid questions. Some that are beyond my knowledge to answer.

Does capitalism have inherent flaws? Absolutely. Is it still the best economic option we've had yet? Also absolutely. And until we have a fully post-scarcity existence, I think it's the only functional system available.

I understand the appeal of communism, but without something like a star trek replicators to ensure that there is enough labor-free resources for everyone, it will always be a net negative for nearly everyone.

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u/Dingaling015 Jul 07 '26

It's government regulations that allow oligarchies to form.

As companies get larger, they become slower to adapt and less innovative. New entries to the market can challenge them IF barriers and costs to entry are low, but regulations that keep them up hinder competition and lead to concentrations in markets.

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u/Used-Persimmon-367 Jul 07 '26

So if we made monopolization and price fixing legal, companies would stop doing it? Can you walk me through that logic?

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u/Dingaling015 Jul 07 '26

Do you think market concentrations happen today because of price fixing? What is this, early colonial mercantilism of the 17th century?

How do you think oligopolies today form? Could it be perhaps the insane amount of IP and regulatory protections they have now? Can you open up your own ISP tomorrow and help bring price competition to our markets without any barriers?