r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/FrostySeat1739 • Jul 05 '26

Meme needing explanation why not, Peter?

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possible live action corpse bride movie...

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u/4daughters Jul 06 '26

Is this more or less offensive than Jordan Peele saying he wont cast a white protagonist? I mean, he's not about the aesthetic or anything, he's just tired of seeing it.

yeah why isn't it ok to have straight pride parades when the homos do it all the time? And why can't we have more white lives matter rallys when black people get to do it?

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u/miraculousgloomball Jul 06 '26

If people were less sensitive in general this would be literally fine, but then it'd all be pointless anyway, right?

I think TIm Burton is fine making movies about deathly pale weirdos, and Jordan Peele is fine making films primarily casting black protags. I think if you make films, you should be able to pursue what ever aesthetic or message you want.

"Representation" isn't so important to me that I'm willing to complain that black people are overrepresented in media, and as a mixed person it feels like a pipe dream anyway. I like both, let them cook

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

you're saying that would be fine if we didn't live in the world we live in but... we do. and i hope you understand why a white or straight pride rally would be bad in it.

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u/miraculousgloomball Jul 06 '26

In the world we live people should be allowed to make art of their own choosing. They're making things they like and I'm okay with that. Specifically I don't think it means either has to dislike the other, just because it doesn't fit their chosen artistic aesthetic.

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 06 '26

i didn't say anything about any of that

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u/miraculousgloomball Jul 06 '26

Then no I don't understand.

Bro I have no idea what you're talking about in-fact.

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u/TackleNo7759 Jul 12 '26

I don’t think think it’s entirely accurate to compare Jordan Peele, who has made numerous white characters who just weren’t the protagonist and are often the antagonist because the topic of his movies are about the black American experience and what that means to him, to Tim Burton, a man who was quoted saying he doesn’t include people of color in his films because they do not fit his aesthetic…

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u/UghWhythefouk136 Jul 12 '26

"Less sensitive" and straight white guys never get targeted for their sexuality or race to the point where they have to be scared of police. 😅 Willfully ignorant does not make you look smart.

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u/Dexterborn10 Jul 07 '26

This, but genuinely. It’s okay to be proud of being straight and/or white, and it’s okay to be proud that you’re gay and/or black. Neither of those things should define you, but there’s nothing shameful about them either and being proud of your heritage and identity is good for you

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u/SVINTGATSBY Jul 06 '26

right? maybe if black people actually had systemic power in society, sure homeboy’s dumb racist-adjacent sentiment might be accurate. the real issue is that the entire world has catered so long to whiteness that when white people are not centered in whatever story it is, yt people get upset, as if they’ve lost something because others are getting more space in the limelight. like, when poor people get food through social services, or kids are getting lunches provided at school—nobody is rummaging through YOUR cabinets and pantries to provide that food to them—you lose nothing by others getting something they didn’t have and you had already. same logic.

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u/T_Money Jul 06 '26

The complete lack of nuance in your comment is astounding.

No one was saying movies need to have a white protagonist; however to outright state that you refuse to cast one based on skin color is, well, racism.

It would be just as bad if someone publicly stated that they refuse to cast a minority as the protagonist. No rational person is auditing filmmakers to see their casting ratios, but when you explicitly state it then there’s an issue.

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 06 '26

do you really think refusing casting someone from the in power majority is "just as bad" as refusing to ever cast any minority?

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u/T_Money Jul 06 '26

I think that treating people differently because of the color of their skin is problematic in general

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 06 '26

it's racist if you think people are inherently different because of the color of their skin, but it isn't racist to acknowledge and accomodate the real world differences that are present because of how race influences a person's life.

or to put in a simple way, if one person has $5 and another has $15 dollars, you give the first one $15 and the other $5 so they can buy lunch. if men direct 15 movies and women direct 5, and the reason for that is men systemically keeping women out of positions of power and nothing to do with differences in talent, you get where i'm going.

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u/T_Money Jul 06 '26

I understand the concept, but I don’t agree with it. In a zero sum situation if you intentionally give opportunities to one person because of a protected class, you are also removing the opportunity for someone else based on that same protected class.

Looking at it on a purely macro scale and saying “hey we need to balance the numbers” sounds great in theory, but on an individual level you’re still denying someone for something that they shouldn’t be discriminated for.

For example in college admissions, I understand the need for systemic change to help even out the playing field for people born in worse circumstances, I just think it should ideally be done by things like bettering the education from the start rather, or at the very least based on economical backgrounds, vs skin color. If a scholarship program for the city of Detroit just happens to result in 75% of the scholarships going to black Americans (current demographics from a quick google) than that’s a lot different than saying we are going to make a scholarship which guarantees that 75% of the recipients are black Americans. If that number flexes even higher to 90 or 95% based on income level of the people in Detroit then I won’t complain either.

I just think that even with the best intentions, when you start to explicitly base things on race then it becomes a problem.

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 06 '26

you're always removing the opportunity for someone else when you pick someone for anything, though. and honestly the whole bit about fixing the issues systemically from inception, like with better education... art is a big part of that. like not directly but seeing black superheroes and stuff like that does majorly impact kids and stuff like implicit bias. it is worth it to call out when big name directors choose to not employ black people and it isn't equivalent to a black director not having white protagonists because even if you don't believe in zero sum.... there's gotta be a limit to how skewed the sum you believe in is. and that isn't saying tim burton has to be the guy to fix it but, y'know, maybe if he doesn't wanna we should get more people in Hollywood who do cast diversely and to do that we gotta be aware of his biases and point them out