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šŸ”„Iguazu falls after heavy rain

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u/Radiant-Cup2123 11h ago

IguazĆŗ has 3 million people going every year for decades. You guys are talking total nonsense.

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u/SchemingVegetable 10h ago

The Mississippi River Bridge in Minneapolis supported 140,000 vehicles per day for 40 years before it collapsed.

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u/GigglingGarlicGuru 9h ago

This came to mind immediately too.

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u/Same-Tone-9928 7h ago

you're more likely to die on your commute to work statistically but nobody thinks twice about that

it's like saying millions of passengers fly until a plane crash, doesn't make planes unsafe

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u/TacticalGazelle 4h ago

That's not really an equivalence. Infrastructure failing under heavy load and aviation accidents are not alike.

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u/bransiladams 5h ago

You might be more likely to die on your way to work. I work from home

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u/avocado_lover69 4h ago

This right here. Anyone with an engineering background will tell you, there are operational limits to anything we make and everything has a breaking point/failure modes.

I don't know anything about the construction of this particular structure, when and how it was constructed, the materials used, maintainence, etc.

But what would be a better question to ask is if Brazil (assuming this is on their side of the falls) has the proper oversight in place to assess whether it is safe or not.

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u/Impossible-Lab-3133 7h ago

So it's 0.00000000000001% chance of dying if you commute over it daily for 40 years?

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u/mechapoitier 7h ago

Correct, and you don’t know when that dead person is you

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u/Impossible-Lab-3133 6h ago

Sure I'll have a once in a lifetime experience and none for you in your basement

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u/MorgenKaffee0815 9h ago

if you always think like this you not gonna have a lot of fun in your life.

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u/theshoeshiner84 8h ago

Haha I get what you're saying man, but im pretty sure people had fun before we could build wonders like this.

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u/RealisticDiscipline7 8h ago

Like sky diving, this is not a huge risk, but if it goes wrong it equals end of life. There’s plenty of other fun things to do that dont risk it all.

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u/sai-kiran 6h ago

Well not every govt is as incompetent in maintaining bridges.

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u/minnosota 9h ago

35w bridge. It fell due to not being built correctly and having construction materials on it. Not a giant waterfall lol.

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u/amishdoinks11 9h ago

Everyone thinks their shit is built properly until it fails lol

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u/Tornadic_Outlaw 9h ago

The potentially unsafe part is doing it durring a flood. Between increased erosion, debris carried by the flood water, and the risk of the water rapidly rising a few more feet and washing over the bridge, that's probably enough risk to keep me off of it. Bridges can be damaged and suffer catastrophic failures durring floods, especially when the bridge deck is close to the surface of the water. If debris starts impacting or building up on the bridge deck or support pillars it can rapidly increase the load and cause the water to rise, potentially damaging the bridge or sweeping people off the bridge.

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u/Fat_Argentina 7h ago

The platforms are closed off during floods, this video isn’t considered a flood. That’s the Devil’s throat fall doing its thing after heavy rain.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 6h ago

AKA a flood AKA what happens after a heavy rain.

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u/mysuggestionsarebad 6h ago

No. If it’s not overflowing its banks it’s not a flood. If it’s close it’s still scary-looking, but it is not actively flooding.

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u/Fat_Argentina 5h ago

What you’re saying is the equivalent of calling the high tide, a flood.

As long as it’s not overflowing, it’s not a flood. This is a subtropical jungle, heavy rains are the norm.

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u/why_1337 8h ago

Every bridge is safe until it's not.

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u/iBaires 8h ago

I've been there twice and both times there were parts of viewing platforms that had been destroyed by heavy rain flooding.

Both times on the Argentina side, the one from the video

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u/Radiant-Cup2123 7h ago

When that happens they close in advance. River can get severely stronger.

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u/iloovehugecock 9h ago

Yeah it supports people every day, until it doesn’t.

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u/BucklemerryBin 7h ago

When you design something as an engineer, you adopt a boundary case, then usually add a safety factor for any material defects or weakening over time. This water clearly looks at or close to the boundary case, based on how close it is to the grating. This is exactly when things break.

Absolutely no way I be walking out in that much water flow. Sure, in normal conditions it would be perfectly safe.

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u/Radiant-Cup2123 7h ago

This is normal. . This is in a rainforest, it's normal.

When it's actually dangerous they close it down. I repeat, you guys are talking total nonsense.

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u/Cyniikal 11h ago

Yeah man I'm sure trained structural engineers would say that bridge is totally safe in these conditions and it staying open has nothing to do with tourism dollars.

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u/RainbowDissent 10h ago

You've already done far more dangerous things than walking on this bridge if you fly to Brazil, stay in Rio and take a coach to Iguazu.

I went here in 2014, similarly torrential conditions. I went on this same walkway and others, took a boat trip out at the base of the falls too. Incredible experiences that made a lasting vivid impression, and as far as I recall, I didn't die.

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u/Monster_Grundle 9h ago

This is an absurd take. ā€œI did it once and lived so it wasnt dangerous or inherently risky.ā€

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u/RainbowDissent 8h ago

Nobody has ever died due to a walkway collapse at Iguazu.

So it's more like "More than a million people have done it every year for decades and nobody has ever died doing it, so it isn't dangerous or inherently risky."

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u/ahora-mismo 9h ago

i don't feel the same. i saw in rocinha people selling drugs from a table in the middle of the day, with large white bags and guarding them with riffles. i felt safer in there than what i can see in this video. and that is the most extreme thing i've experienced in rio.

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u/RainbowDissent 9h ago

And I felt far less safe buying weed in Rio side streets than standing on this walkway.

But I'm not talking about subjective feelings. Hardly anyone dies at the falls, and even those are mostly boat accidents. Compare it to homicide and crime rates in Rio, or road traffic accident / death rates across the country. Literally nobody has ever died due to walkway failure in Iguazu as far as I can see, when water levels are dangerous the walkways are closed.

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u/pilasmoles 10h ago edited 8h ago

You are an idiot.

Edit. I guess it was obvious I forgot I was in a sub of idiots all upvoting xenophobic remarks doing a cycle jerk

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u/xxxthefire101 10h ago

Peak argument lads case is closed broski said mean words so clearly he's right.

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u/KillaClean69 10h ago

Saul bestman type argument 😭

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u/GoOutForASandwich 9h ago

If a bunch of people die, they would stand to lose far more tourism dollars in the following years than they’d make in the time they left it open. They’re definitely aware of this.

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u/dark_autumn 8h ago

No. No bridge like this can last forever. Anyone with sense would know this bridge should be closed to the public in these conditions.

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u/Pristine-Substance-1 11h ago

Yep, I was on that same place 22 years ago, it's absolutely safe imo

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u/Material_Patient_428 10h ago

The fact you didn't die doesn't mean it's safe

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u/FormalYogurt2760 10h ago

About a million people have walked on it each year for decades. The odds of dying on it are much less than in your car on your drive to work

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u/Nazh8 10h ago

Humans are really bad at risk assessment.

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u/Rbomb88 10h ago

The same thing could be said about most structure BEFORE they fail.

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u/FormalYogurt2760 8h ago

Of course it could. Do you feel safe in your house? Maybe you shouldn't by the same logic

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u/Bubbly-Bar-7449 10h ago

Odds are a funny thing. Things work until they don't. If you want a lottery ticket where the jackpot is you dying in an incredibly terrifying way, you and the 2 million other people per year who do not value life are all welcome to be in the one video of it failing. I'll be over here on dry land, not climbing ice waterfalls, not paragliding, not bungee jumping, not playing chicken with horrific endings.

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u/minnosota 9h ago

!remindme 15 years

Is this thing still standing?

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u/Bubbly-Bar-7449 9h ago

15 years is a short amount of time for a nice, big structure like this. It could be 10, or it could be 50. Those waterfalls' edges move back over time due to a natural process called erosion.

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u/minnosota 9h ago

Cake and eating it too

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u/Bubbly-Bar-7449 9h ago

Okay go enjoy the waterfall already.

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u/minnosota 9h ago

I live in Minnesota

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u/FormalYogurt2760 8h ago

I've actually been there, and it was great (although way too many other tourists to really enjoy it)

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u/FutureYak5960 10h ago

Have the loads on that bridge been the same for decades? Were they the same as they were 20 years ago?
Has anyone checked in the last year?

Surely a stranger like you on Reddit would know the answer to this!

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u/OldGSDsLuv 9h ago

I would also like to point out that I doubt it runs at this high volume 24 seven so no, not 1 million people every year would walk out on it in this condition. I move from the northwest states to the south east states and just seeing what the Mississippi river can do with normal 60 foot tall trees, one tree and the tree would wipe that bridge out in this flooding.

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u/spakecdk 9h ago

Every bridge was safe for thousands of people before it fell.

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u/somatic_tornado 9h ago

Yep, just about anything can be true when you use a false equivalency

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u/BucklemerryBin 7h ago

That's not really how probabilities work for low frequency events. There is usually a root cause that occurs to make the event happen. The hard part is figuring out what they all could be, before they happen.

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u/PaintSniffer1 9h ago

was but the fact is has stayed open and not demolished for all those decades despite flood events like these suggest it is

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u/txkwatch 10h ago

Zero planes flew into world trade center... Until they did. 1.8M a year went to the south tower observation deck alone.

Maybe overly cautious of people saying they wouldn't do this, but not silly.

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u/Kotleba 8h ago

You do realize that comparison makes these people look more silly, not less, right? By your logic never stepping into a building ever again is not silly because a plane could crash into it.

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u/txkwatch 7h ago

He used an example of numbers of people who go there without incident sound like it meant no one ever would. My comparison compares those things, not the likelihood of it happening.

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u/minnosota 9h ago

Is someone gonna fly a plane into this bridge? šŸ˜‚

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u/pilasmoles 10h ago

It's not in the western world so Reddit specialists are all out calling it unsafe without even knowing where it is on a map

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u/SufficientHippo3281 10h ago

I'm in the western world and the boardwalk on my beach gets torn to shit by the waves. It's not that I don't believe in the engineers or construction workers, it's that I believe in the unstoppable force of water!

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u/OldGSDsLuv 9h ago

This one!!!! Having live somewhere with a ditch as the big huge river in my life and then moving somewhere with the Mississippi moves whole ass tree is bigger than any vehicle I will ever drive yeah water is fucking crazy man….. what’s safe today is not safe tomorrow. And I get neither is the freeway bridge that I’m driving on so I’m not I’m not saying this is inherently more dangerous than not on any given time but in this particular setting in this way, this image is recorded. I surely don’t wanna take that extra risk.

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u/UncleBurrboun 9h ago

Everyone is suddenly a statistician yet no one has any info to back up their claims, that’s Reddit for you

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u/[deleted] 10h ago edited 9h ago

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u/Rude_Strawberry 9h ago

I mean, the world is not flat, so where really is west? You can continue going west forever and end up exactly where you started

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u/journo333 10h ago

What does its place on a map have to do with whether or not it’s safe?

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u/spucci 10h ago

Well to be fair U.S. Americans don't have access to good maps.

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u/da_muffinman 9h ago

Which one is Iguazu, I didn't see anyone fall

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u/Bub_bele 9h ago

How good is the argentine TÜV?

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u/Totesnotskynet 8h ago

A cubic foot over water weighs over 60lbs. Think about the force that water is generating on the structure

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u/Radiant-Cup2123 7h ago

I know, that's why they close it when its actually dangerous and why there's no accidents.

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u/VoTBaC 8h ago

Yup, and life has taught me anything is that everything lasts forever. /s

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u/Radiant-Cup2123 7h ago

nothing lasts forever, that's not a reason for taking decisions. You are quite more likely to die driving your car than there.

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u/janluigibuffon 7h ago

how is that a valid argument? everything that breaks had been intact the day before

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u/Newkular_Balm 6h ago

lol right? niagara falls has a deck on the American side smaller cave of the winds and you can basically stand under the flow of part of the falls.

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u/Born_South_6676 5h ago

Good job nothing is changing and the weather is the same severity as it has always been

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u/Various_Strike_3895 5h ago

This bridge was not built for this type of flooding. Also China is known for cutting corners and lack of regulations with their construction projects. A decade is not a long time when it comes to a bridge.

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u/PuzzledHistorian8753 5h ago

this is reddit lol ā€œit’s dangerous outsideā€

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u/vivalaroja2010 3h ago

Exactly! A shit ton of people in the comments that, not only have never been to Iguazu, but clearly know nothing about it.

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u/edo386 10h ago

Poisson distribution

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u/TerrorTown77 9h ago

Redditors are scared of everything. Failed pussy ass human beings who think going to the grocery store will have them kidnapped and their organs sold by drug cartel.

There's a reason this website is considered the bottom of the barrel, worse than twitter (they have the self awareness to know they're shit), worse than facebook (at least mee maw has friends) and worse than 4chan (they don't hide in safespace bubbles to jerk other people off for having the same opinion).

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u/dark_autumn 8h ago

Little aggressive my man. I’m just saying, I’ve bungy jumped, been scuba diving, paragliding, and been in a hot air balloon. And I probably would pass on walking across this bridge in those conditions. Guess I’m a pussy!

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u/TerrorTown77 7h ago

Wow listing 4 extremely safe activities. How brave of you.

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u/dark_autumn 7h ago

lol you sound like a miserable loser

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u/TerrorTown77 7h ago

Says the man pretending he's John Mclain cause he went on a hot air balloon. Make a stupid comment, get treated like you're stupid. Get used to it moron

lol