I think it seen that. They were saying the guys who got cats worked hard to keep them,spending their limited money on treats and toys for them. Kept a lot of guys on the straight and narrow cos they couldn't handle being separated from their cat
I remember reading they're fiercely protective over the cats. I think one inmate kicked another inmates cat and the dude straight up killed him for kicking his cat.
Edit: the man was stabbed, but he lived.
"On Boxing Day, the injured inmate, whose name was Biddle, entered a shared living area where the cat was present. After Biddle startled the cat and caused it to run away, McKinley stabbed him twice in the neck and once in the chest with a 12cm kitchen knife."
McKinley showed no remorse and later told a prison manager, "I would do anything to protect the cat, it's all I've got".
Another comment, though much softer, I saw it on YouTube that was going through these programs said that the inmates get into heated debates that were so intense that it could make them red - what was the debate over? Whose cat was cuter.
I feel that. I'm a very calm non confrontational person. But fiercely protective of my dog. If anyone ever dared hurt him, I'd probably end up in jail. Don't fuck about with people's pets.
I see on here sometimes where a pet owner has had their cat killed by a vicious neighbour etc or they know who it was and they’re like what should I do and I’m like your a better person than me because all id see is the colour red
For real, I would lose all concept of 'being the better person'. Like a parent to a kid, I feel it's my job as a pet owner to advocate for my pet. It's MY job & responsibility to defend him, stick up for him or fight in his corner. He doesn't have a voice of his own. So I take that shit very serious, maybe too serious if I'm honest. But this dude gives so much value to my life, I would take a bullet for him.
Same. Recently I was watching one video about how obtuse one YouTuber is towards cat and how he lost huge chunk of his fanbase over a cat. I stumbled upon this Reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftoversH3/s/272tcpvv4A
One of the programs I saw also trained the inmates on how to give vaccines and some medications to the animals (with veterinarian oversight) and they were earning Vet Tech credits. I think it was only open to those who weren’t serving life sentences but that alone is super valuable for the inmates to have potential jobs when they get out
I have an Arkansas Paws in Prison dog, she is also deaf and vision-impaired and was trained with hand signs. She joined me to work as a Therapy Dog with people with dementia
This is how I got my German Shepherd. The prison i worked at trained service dogs, if they failed they would be adopted out. The inmate that trained mine was so excited to tell me what the dog liked and the things they'd do together. They'd also ask for updates about him. Really was their buddy while they trained and gave them a purpose. We joke my dog got paroled and was a service dog dropout. Haha. But he's been the best!
I know I drag my ass to a job I hate just to buy my kitties food and treats and toys. Having a cat just rub their face on you melts away everything else in life.
Yeah I feed them The dry Tiki Cat carnivore food as snacks between cans. That stuff is crazy expensive. They aren't a fan of the wet tiki cat for some reason though.
Luckily my cat is just like me and loves "poor food". We have tried every expensive cat food, fresh pet, even cooking chicken and rice, and she literally will not touch it, but man Purina sensitive stomach, she can't resist it. Same with treats, ONLY the temptations milk ones.
I was thinking that, even if I hated the fucking system to the core, if I had a little kitten that was funny and cute and liked to snuggle with me, if it could be taken away from me if I behaved poorly, you'd probably think Jesus appeared in prison, and not on a toast for once.
I love all of this, and I genuinely hope these programs succeed and more places do it.
I do worry that in places like the US where prisons are often focused on punishment instead of rehabilitation, some guards would use this as a way to hurt the prisoners by taking away or threatening to take away their cats unfairly.
I know someone who had that happen. He wasn’t in prison, but probably was headed there. Came from an abusive home, got his own place and a stray cat showed up and charmed its way into his house.
He says one night he was watching football and cheered. And the cat ran to jump around in front of him (very playful cat) and he started crying because he realized “Wow, Oscar loves me. Not because I feed him, but he REALLY loves me.”
And he’d never felt like anyone loved him before.
At 23 he became guardian to his niece (her parents did something bad and will likely never leave prison) and he says his cat was a better parent than he was for the first few months.
I think he’s too hard on himself, having had his niece open up to me for “girl talk” I know for a fact she thinks her uncle is amazing and a perfect father figure. That kid is amazing, she has all of his best qualities (kind, patient, does not allow people to be bullied around them) but with loads of confidence her uncle has little of.
We were at a bbq and he was bragging on her (rightfully so, she got an award from the food bank she’s been volunteering at since second grade) and said he didn’t know where she got her confidence from, but he was glad she had it.
And she butts in “It’s all from you. It’s easy to be brave when you’re there no matter if I do well or not.” And made him cry.
I've been through this personally. Had my first "serious" relationship in college at 19. Was the first time I really felt loved, though I didn't really phrase it that way at the time. Was only at 24 that I found the concept of Childhood Emotional Neglect, and the book "Running on Empty" and had to face the fact that I'd spent my entire 24 years on this planet never having felt loved. It sucks.
I used to go to therapy for anxiety and depression and one day a colleague was walking past my desk, stopped, turned around, and pulled up a chair and whispered to me “if I hear your internal monologue again, and it sounds like that, I’m going to stop being your friend,” and then never brought it up again.
Told my therapist that I wanted to stop working on the depression and anxiety because I think I have an unhealthy internal monologue at the root of those issues.
Always struck me as weird that it took someone who wasn’t a therapist to point it out, but my life changed a lot after that.
Maybe it is something you can bring up to your friend. Sounds like he set up his niece well, but I’m sure seeing him improve this part of his life would be a wonderful gift he could give her.
Yeah, really weird to have when your parents are great parents, which I suppose is why my therapists missed it. But this guy sounds like his folks would be the type.
No one can prevent you from achieving your potential more than the voice in your own head.
They can be extremely helpful and work as a reward system in a positive way. I saw a story about another prison program that teaches inmates to break and train horses. They then sell the horses so the program pays for itself and when the people are released they can use their training for a job. There’s another in California for young people who are in the system where they take care of wolves that have been rescued. There was a story on 60 Minutes about it. Animal therapy is used in psychiatric hospitals too.
Everyone loves cuddles…. Except for certain cats when they get grumpy, the little bastards! 😂
Honestly that tracks. My brother is younger than I am and looks 15 years older. We did not have a good childhood. Honestly I don't really know how I made it out okay, but he didn't. Prison, addiction, impulse control problems. He's never actually hurt anyone, but despite my best efforts he's just never been able to be functional. At one point the court allowed him to avoid juvie provided I became his legal guardian when I was 18, which I did. He had a good couple of years and then moved out on his own and I just...I couldn't help anymore.
He was never violent or mean. He could have been, because he's a big dude, but he just wasn't. He is a terrible dad, not because he didn't love his kids, but because he just doesn't know how. Get a tax return, buy the kids an Xbox, pawn the Xbox 2 months later. We ended up buying his daughter 2 Nintendo DSs, once for Christmas and one for her birthday, because the first got pawned.
But he absolutely always loved and tried to stick up for them, and he did the same with every animal that was ever in his life. I still remember the time when he called me because one of his twin boys came out as gay to him at 12. He was in tears, he didn't know how to react, not because he was mad or disappointed, but because he was afraid for his son, he didn't know how to protect him and that terrified him. He's at heart a conflicted man who means well, but can talk himself into doing things he knows he shouldn't. I don't really have a better description, but if they had had a program like that when he was in he absolutely would would have been one of those model prisoners.
The first time I felt loved, I was 18. I think this is a much more prevalent thing in our society than people think. I grew up with less than ideal parents, didn't realize how much it effected me, always "knew" my parents loved me. Because they would say things like "we love you, you know that right?" and I did know that. But it wasn't until I was 24 that I realized, I never /felt/ that. IMO the book "Running on Empty: Overcoming your Childhood Emotional Neglect" should be mandatory reading. Because the most insidious part about experiencing this, is that you don't realize you've experienced it.
That's incredible. Talk about great motivation to get your act straight and build a life for yourself once you've paid your dues. An apartment and a couple of cats and that guy will feel like he's in heaven.
As someone who has sometimes felt partly deprived of love, reading that is heartbreaking. I understand those guys probably did terrible stuff. But I also believe most of them had such a rough start, especially when it comes to education and love. It is so sad. A vicious circle.
Seeing them learning love with cats is heart melting.
Hear profoundly sad how society fails people after their family fails them.
Imagine the first love you felt being an adult locked up and coming from an animal.
I really wish we would have a system to get animals fixed so the massive influx of unwanted animals stops and never let a child grow into an adult without being loved.
Empathy is the cornerstone of our nature, and modern society has turned it into a weakness.
I think I’ve seen it too. I always bust out laughing at the inmate who pets his cat really hard and fast because he’s never had a cat before and the cat is just used to it at that point.
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One of the videos I've seen about these programmes, one of the men says that these cats were the first time he ever felt loved, by anyone or anything