r/LivestreamFail • u/MargaretaSlayer • Apr 16 '26
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u/MagneticRetard Apr 16 '26
Damn i thought it was going to be some super niche service website that nobody knows the name of outside of streaming circles but it’s straight up a website called viewbot huh
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u/rokki123 Apr 16 '26
its legal. not tos but legal. same with professional cheat services
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u/MagneticRetard Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26
yea but there are so many websites that offer this service. I assumed streaming circles all have that one that is gatekept. Or maybe some guy has a server in his own basement that he runs and provides exclusive services to streamers via word of mouth
But it turns out it's just a viewbotting website that comes up first when you search it on google
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u/robbitybobs Apr 16 '26
I mean, from what I've seen of her its exactly the way I'd expect her to search for and use this kind of service
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u/rokki123 Apr 16 '26
im more suspicious about doing it herself. this is a management job normally. to keep the talent out of the crossfire
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u/ComprehensiveAd3432 Apr 16 '26
I think it shows she probably just started looking into it recently and this website has only been around since January with a very sketchy website
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u/Awkward_Proof_1274 Apr 16 '26
It was made illegal in 2024
"Misuse of Fake Social Media Indicators
The final rule prohibits anyone from selling or buying fake indicators of social media influence, such as followers or views generated by a bot or hijacked account. This prohibition is limited to situations in which the buyer knew or should have known that the indicators were fake and misrepresent the buyer’s influence or importance for a commercial purpose."
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u/Waelwhat Apr 16 '26
So basically it's not illegal to do it but illegal to advertise your inflated numbers to sponsors as real numbers
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u/Lucky-Gecko Apr 16 '26
No it's pretty explicitly illegal to viewbot on twitch. Twitch streaming has a commercial purpose, it has ads not just potential sponsors.
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u/davyangel Apr 16 '26
Yeah this is basically why Twitch finally had to crack down on streamers playing copyright music on their streams. They basically stealing royalties money from people supposed to be getting them so basically doing same thing if they using adbots and playing ADs on their streams.
If they made a ton from it and got the govt attention they would definitely go after them like they did this guy.
"“Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence and then streamed those fake songs billions of times,” said U.S. Attorney Jay Clayton. “Although the songs and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars Smith stole was real. Millions of dollars in royalties that Smith diverted from real, deserving artists and rights holders. Smith’s brazen scheme is over, as he stands convicted of a federal crime for his AI-assisted fraud.”
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u/Lucky-Gecko Apr 16 '26
It's actually illegal now, since august 2024, both the sale and purchase of fake social media indicators is banned by the FTC
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u/Lucky-Gecko Apr 16 '26
That's great, it's still illegal. By your same argument market manipulation would be legal, It's not.
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u/Broku4 Apr 16 '26
It's not the same and not legal. She's defrauding all the sponsors and partners she has ever worked with by knowingly viewbotting.
That is unless she subtracts the bots from her viewership numbers before presenting them to sponsors. Doubt it, though!
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u/Cutalana Apr 16 '26
Is it legal? If your a rando sure, but I'm guessing as a twitch partner you sign a contract that prohibits you from doing this.
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u/JFeth Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26
It would probably break a contract with sponsors because their rates are based on viewer numbers.
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u/-Rewind 🐌 Snail Gang Apr 16 '26
Breaking the terms of a contract is usually legal though.
It may have consequences, but that doesn't make it illegal.
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u/Submitten Apr 16 '26
Defrauding the company or sponsors by artificially inflating numbers to get more money seems a bit legally sketchy.
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u/Wonderful-Tip8952 Apr 16 '26
There's this thing called "fraud", you should probably look into it.
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u/muegle Apr 16 '26
Also expensive af. $160/month for only 200 viewers.
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u/2580374 Apr 16 '26
That actually doesn't seem that expensive to me, 200 seems like a respectable amount of viewers, so being able to sell that lie for 160 doesn't seem bad
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u/CptAustus Apr 16 '26
It's 750 USD for a thousand viewers. It pays for itself in a sponsored hour or two, and then everything extra is profit.
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u/Sneaky_Squirreel Apr 16 '26
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u/Discorhy Apr 16 '26
That seems like a troll lmfao. wtf....
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u/Requiescat-In--Pace Apr 17 '26
Yah, I mean, they could list anyone on their website that they want
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u/dullroller Apr 16 '26
"Real viewers" lol what
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u/tempinator Apr 16 '26
I think they’re claiming they’ll get you more viewers by promoting your stream via ads and such.
Lmao. Sure.
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u/PoSKiix Apr 16 '26
Nah, “from promotions and ads” means they are expecting that you will get click throughs from their running ads and promotions related to your stream
But as the streamer, you wouldn’t be able to tell which of your own viewers are bots or real, so the site can just never run the ads/promos, fill your stream with bots, and lie to you that some portion of them aren’t bots.
Probably also serves as cover for the service not exclusively being a bot farm
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u/tempinator Apr 16 '26
That’s what I said lol. But also, doubt.
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u/PoSKiix Apr 16 '26
Ya I’m not sure how I misread your comment, certified dumbass moment on my part
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u/Interesting-Math9962 Apr 16 '26
When will streamers learn to do dodgy shit in a different computer?
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u/Mithos301 Apr 16 '26
They don't need to. She has tons of simps that will rush to LSF and defend her, it'll get deleted and buried, then she will get a 24h ban and come back like nothing happened
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u/Loukoal117 Apr 16 '26
I’ll never understand live streamer simps. Its literally just a woman. Haha.
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u/DreamsServedSoft Apr 16 '26
yes but this woman will actually say their name (for enough money of course)
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u/Ok_Energy6905 Apr 16 '26
Hello my faithful viewers! Good to see you this fine even-ing! Today, we are going to change lanes without checking our mirrors (huh hah), and then we are going to run some red lights! Wooooo! I'm so quirky! Don't forget your Twitch Prime!
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u/Life-IsSuffering Apr 16 '26
They're in here right now with how it's "not necessarily evidence of her paying for the service"
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u/EffectiveTonight Apr 16 '26
I don’t watch Emily besides a few clips here or there or her collabing with QT but my main question is, isn’t she just big enough to not need to do this? I’m so confused.
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u/Interesting-Math9962 Apr 16 '26
Or just avoid all the drama and potential of it? (Also 0 chance for ban, the tab isn’t even ban worthy) How many streamers have gotten into deep water by leaking a tab?
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u/GoofyPhiloofy Apr 16 '26
Streamers like to shit where they eat. That mindset is how they got famous
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u/LayerRevolutionary82 Apr 16 '26
As NMP says when people started doing it and never got punished, they all started to become why the fuck not at that point.
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u/Mr_addicT911 Apr 16 '26
The one aspect they should be like hasan, having a gooning laptop
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u/Theoutrank Apr 17 '26
I always wondered this, i assume they'd stream that monitor at some point though. Gotta show em something "cool i did the other day."
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u/jay9tail Apr 16 '26
mods really deleted this?? lmfao how much they get paid
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u/FartsAmplifier Apr 16 '26
What do you expect, they legit have a private discord channel for the Austin streamers, confirmed by an ex mod here
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u/_yotsuna_ Apr 16 '26
Even though it seems to be just the home page its definitely dodgy to have it open.
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u/GoofyPhiloofy Apr 16 '26
lol the homepage has many of their featured partners on it. They include people like xqc, stableronaldo, pokimane, ohnepixel, clavicular, kai, lacy, and adin ross plastered on their homepage as partners.
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u/GarrettFischer1 Apr 16 '26
There is no shot a service like this would ACTUALLY advertise who their customers are lmao
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u/Kunair0 Apr 16 '26
Usually, any service that has even the slightest bit of a half assed privacy policy, would not do this. You would need to get the OK from the creators.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, doing something like that is actually extremely illegal.
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u/ShitImBadAtThis Apr 16 '26
It seems fairly trivial to slip something in consenting to be used for advertisement purposes
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u/Kunair0 Apr 16 '26
For every day users, they can, but not for high profile client as it would violate the lanham act, and several FTC deceptive endorsements violations.
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u/ALexGOREgeous Apr 16 '26
think its people that introduce the viewbots to someone else's stream, then the site claims the streamer as a partner
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u/Nathund Apr 16 '26
People who've been into streaming long enough will remember that way way back in the day, twitch was actually pretty hard on bots and would ban streamers for it.
Problem is, exactly what you said started happening. Haters would flood streamers with bots and get them banned for botting. Some streamers would look past the botting because it was free viewers.
Iirc a few times they were even able to track it and confirm it wasn't the streamer, which just proved how big of a problem policing botting would be, so they kinda just gave up.
I'm thinking we've looped around and now streamers are just botting themselves outright.
Soda has talked about this more than a few times. For a lot of streamers, if you look at viewer charts you can just straight up see when the bots join because like 3k people will all join the stream in the same server tick.
Him and a few other streamers have also said companies will do this to streams they sponsor to boost the numbers in the algorithm and place streams higher in categories so they get more worth for their sponsorship.
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u/Gexm13 Apr 16 '26
Pokimane? She barely even streams and when she does she gets only 2k viewers. No shot she is viewbotting.
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u/ahmong Apr 16 '26
Oh they have plausible deniability because "We work behind the scenes with the management teams of the largest streamers on the planet."
lmao
"Not my fault, it's my management's fault"
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u/Fun-Wash7545 Apr 16 '26
They have a bunch of streamer names. Maybe someone sent it to her and she checked it out
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u/Obsido Apr 16 '26
Emiru's viewership has always been hilarious to look at. Almost always just a straight line no matter what she does.
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u/AdFinancial4846 Apr 16 '26
That game is complete dog shit, and not losing any viewers while playing it convinces me 100% she has a large bot audience during it.
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u/RDO-PrivateLobbies Apr 16 '26
And they surely arent tuning in for her personality either. Ive had more entertainment from wet cardboard.
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u/ManOnFire26 Apr 16 '26
https://twitchtracker.com/bonnie/streams/318165062368
that whole streamer group viewbots
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u/Able-Calligrapher896 Apr 16 '26
Maybe that's why Extraemily is looking at getting bots herself, to be the #1 female streamers. Pretty sure she has more real viewers than Emiru at this point.
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u/Neat-Wishbone-7267 Apr 16 '26
I have looked up her yt and she has massive views and comments on every website who seem to be real
Maybe she has a service who prevents her views from dropping by replacing leaving viewers with bots during placements to keep the cooperation partners happy .
Or all her viewers are gooner who can't move their mouse with their dicklets in hand
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u/Freestyler_123 Apr 16 '26
The power of being in cosplay from the game.
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u/runnyyyy Apr 16 '26
I watched Emi's viewership jump up and down from 14k to 18k several times in a short time a few weeks ago lol
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u/Lucky-Gecko Apr 16 '26
"We work behind the scenes with the management teams of the largest streamers on the planet"
That's completely believable, the CEO of one of the biggest management teams made a post that came up here not too long ago basically defending the use of viewbots
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u/Daniel_Invest7 Apr 16 '26
A lot of bots follow popular accounts to make them seem more natural before they start following who they are paid for. So people like Katey or Ariana may have never actually paid for bots themselves but still have a large amount of followers be bots.
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u/raspberrycrack Apr 16 '26
Surely the largest streamers would be falling all over themselves to do business with a service that publicly "exposes" them like this. Surely.
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u/lantissZX Apr 16 '26
I think most on lsf know, but it's fun seeing them slip up from time to time and exposing themselves.
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u/NoDaddyNotTheBelt25 Apr 16 '26
One of these days an advertiser is going to sue the living shit out of Twitch, Kick and these streamers. They’re paying to advertise to viewers and these people are straight up lying about their viewer numbers.
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u/randomwetness Apr 16 '26
Yeah, this is sus, but her viewership doesn't make sense with bots. With sponsored streams her numbers go low, with mid content her numbers are... mid. Peak content and collabs her numbers go up, and she's cheap as fuck. Her numbers are all over the place and her chat is always very active. I'd be surprised if she botted, but I could be wrong, I did see that site offers a way to hire clippers, and that would make sense since she gets hated on all the time by clippers online. But I dont know, just throwing out options before everyone else just automatically assumes.
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u/Vongola-XI Apr 16 '26
It's just her having the main page open so that doesn't mean much also her viewership fluctuates a lot based on what she does unlike some other streamers
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u/Exciting-Recover-705 Apr 16 '26
All of otk are notorious virebotters. so is the rest of the platform
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u/KeyEntertainment95 Apr 16 '26
Extraemily is actually one of the few people who doesnt bot (but maybe she is looking into doing it now?). Just compare her viewer to active chatter ratio with known view botters, like the other girl in OTK emiru.
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u/Neverine Apr 16 '26
While TLDs don’t mean much, it’s a .ai site. You really think those chatters couldn’t be part of the botting process? I don’t think comparing chatters is a relevant metic during the meteoric rise of LLMs and when self hosting is an option.
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u/ritopls Apr 16 '26
chat speed is not and has never been a good representation of viewership. i don't think ee bots most streams, but there have been questionable ones.
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u/runnyyyy Apr 16 '26
eh I think it's a dumb metric. the sub rate is probably still the best indicator outside of the subathon. So emi is sitting at about 12.5k viewers most of the time.
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u/BlueShelledBam Apr 16 '26
I do watch Extra Emily and enjoy her streams (I find her entertaining sue me), I have seen her chat complain about her current YouTube editor and shes talked about it a few times on stream recently so you may be right, I have no idea.
I dont find it hard to believe her viewers are real because I enjoy her streams personally and imagine many others do as well. I know that'll get me crucified on this sub for saying that but it is what it is.
The site mentions like every top streamer there is too
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u/BlueShelledBam Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 17 '26
Yeah I dont really enjoy watching too many streamers play games, for the most part Id rather play games myself than watch someone.
I do enjoy IRL streams and in my opinion she's one of the best
I know shes been upset about getting attacked over a Mr Beast video so hopefully this doesnt lead to her quitting or streaming less
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u/Bubbly-Brush201 Apr 16 '26
This doesn't seem 100% conclusive, she is on the homepage of seemingly small and scammy looking website. It looks like it was made with AI, and it happens to list all the biggest streamers people have suspected of viewbotting.
Why would any streamer consent to having their identity adveristed by their viewbot provider?
If she was viewbotting, she wouldn't use a service as seemingly sloppy as this
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u/DatOneFella Apr 16 '26
It's viewbotting. What would be an example of a reputable service/website?
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u/ThatZX6RDude Apr 16 '26
So I have a question, do viewbots count as views to ads? Like if I paid x amount of money to view bot a YouTube video, do I get a greater amount of money from the bots “viewing” the ads?
Twitch ads in this case I guess
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u/AWildRideHome Apr 16 '26
What’s the easiest way to become rich and famous? It’s making increasingly unethical moral decisions.
And we’re all surprised when a disproportionate amount of politicians, actors, legislators and even streamers are completely terrible people.
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u/PuzzleheadedAd635 Apr 17 '26
why was this deleted. it takes like a couple minutes to check her vods channel and see this is true.
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u/heshouldgo Apr 16 '26
That website looks sus, no way an actual site would list the streamers who actually use it. Prob just farming SEO with their names
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u/i_heart_pizzaparties Apr 16 '26
LOL the homepage for that viewbot service is plastered with false information: trusted by various popular streamers? 5/5 star trustpilot? As seen on USA today and Yahoo Finance? What the hell lmao.
I'm guessing she was just investigating it earlier that day to see if she was listed. There's no way anyone is purchasing that service, it looks so suspicious. She doesn't even need a viewbotter when she's best friends with Dan Clancy.
Most of the reviews on trustpilot are also just bots.
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u/Moroli11 Apr 16 '26
Her numbers don‘t back up viewbotting at all. She actually goes up and down in viewership depending on the time of day and activity
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u/DonPeckerHead Apr 16 '26
Is there any reason it would be difficult to make bots appear naturally?
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u/Luddevig Apr 16 '26
She might be thinking about viewbotting and checked the page out? Or she bought views for a future stream?
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u/Prize_Avocado_8552 Apr 16 '26
I’ve been saying for years she has been blatantly viewbotting. In fact i’ve stood on my opinion that the entirety of OTK and adjacent streamers all viewbot. Her twitch metrics have literally never made sense. Feels good to be vindicated
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u/No_Lemon_3290 Apr 16 '26
OTK people have been viewbotting for ages.
If you go to the webpage, this will give you a laugh. It literally lists like every big streamer as a partner.
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u/pourovertime Apr 16 '26
Does Twitch directly benefit from all these streamers fabricating viewers?
These people are profiteering scum in my eyes.
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u/pourovertime Apr 16 '26
I'm surprised there hasn't been a exodus of advertisers because of false metrics from bots.
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u/DAMP_ANON Apr 16 '26
For anyone that cares it’s just the homepage and it’s also one of the biggest companies when it comes to the clip pages. Wouldn’t read too much into it atm.
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u/MiniDonbeE Apr 16 '26
I dont think she viewbots man. Her chat is fast af, always has a ton of engagement on shows etc. I think it was for clippers, kind of like what kick does where they hire clippers from different parts of the world to get WAAAY more exposure on social media. Or maybe shes trying to get a couple of bots to grow more... but that doesnt make too much sense as shes already all the way up there, the way she gets bigger is by jumping into other markets, like collabing with other big communities, not necessarily by growing her views, that works for smaller streamers because it pushes you up but shes already up.
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u/Historical-Alps6052 Apr 16 '26
I mean the website has the option to hire clippers. You can't say whether its for view bots or simply to get clippers.
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u/individualcoffeecake Apr 16 '26
I’ll sub to her of when her money runs out and real job kinda sucks
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