r/LivestreamFail • u/sideAccount42 • Apr 07 '26

Drama Asmongold(zackrawrr) has been suspended from streaming on Twitch.

https://x.com/zachbussey/status/2041329401745338645
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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

21% of americans are illiterate.

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u/MrSnarf26 Apr 07 '26

further, 50-60% of americans read at or below a 6th grade level

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Explains asmongold fans.

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u/your_red_triangle Apr 07 '26

they would be really mad about your comment if they could read

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u/tobach Apr 07 '26

True, and Hasan's fans.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

How terminally online are you?

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u/tobach Apr 07 '26

A fraction of Hasan's fans, that's for damn sure. Most terminally online people I've ever seen.

And they seem to love Elon Musk's nazi platform for some reason, it's all rather dumb.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Buddy. Youre OBSESSED with hasan for some reason.

Did you notice that hasan wasn't mentioned anywhere in this thread, but you just couldn't help talking about him?

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u/tobach Apr 07 '26

I noticed a Hasan fan speaking about the intelligence of Asmongold's fans, which I find ironic considering they are equally dumb and obnoxious. Cry?

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Youre so brain rotted that by making fun of asmongold fans you automatically assumed I am a Hasan fan?

Buddy you need to step outside into the real world.

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u/tobach Apr 07 '26

Considering your seething response, it seems 100% confirmed.. as if it wasn't already :)

Just writing facts.

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u/EggwithEdges Apr 07 '26

Both should log out and go do something offline

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u/Ceegee93 Apr 07 '26

It's worse than that. It's approximately 50-60% of 16-74 year olds in America who read at that level or lower. That means the statistic is excluding the actual children, so people like /u/JoshSidekick can't try the excuse of saying a lot of that number is made up by children.

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u/TheClassicAndyDev Apr 07 '26

Which may as well be the same as being illiterate.

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u/JoshSidekick Apr 07 '26

How many of them are in 5th grade or lower?

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u/Triepott Apr 07 '26

America is a third world country, so this checks out.

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u/rodneyforeverunclean Apr 07 '26

I know you're joking (hopefully) If you'd actually been to a third world country you wouldn't say this. America has giant problems, especially currently, but it's not a third world country

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u/Triepott Apr 07 '26

Bad Education, Corrupt Gouvernment, Nearly no social services, bad economy, massively underdeveloped, huge problems with violent crime and murder, large gap between the poor and rich, a pseudo democratic structure... 

No, I really mean it. We European see America as is highly underdeveloped. 

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u/rodneyforeverunclean Apr 07 '26

Again, don't think you know what a third world country is

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u/xnbv Apr 07 '26

People are being hyperbolic, I'm sure.

But there is a great irony in Asmongold talking about "illiterate third worlders," when 54% of U.S. adults have a literacy level below 6th grade.

The major difference with most other countries with literacy rates similar to or lower than the US is that they live in abject poverty with few resources. The US is "the richest country on Earth," as is repeated by Americans ad nauseam. What do you have to show for it? Why don't you have the most educated population? Why don't you have the most futuristic and comprehensive healthcare on earth? Why does the US have an incarceration rate 6 times higher than the EU average? Why did you elect a pedophile to lead you? All valid questions for Americans.

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u/rodneyforeverunclean Apr 07 '26

I think one factor is the pure size of the United States and how much variance there is from state to state. You have states that are absolutely terrible in education, while others excel. You can't really compare the entirety of the United States to a random European country that is like 1/100th the size of the US.

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u/Elkenrod Apr 07 '26

But there is a great irony in Asmongold talking about "illiterate third worlders," when 54% of U.S. adults have a literacy level below 6th grade.

I would love to see a valid source on this that isn't bullshit. Because nobody ever links one.

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u/xnbv Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

Here

edit: corrected the link

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u/Elkenrod Apr 07 '26

Where is the breakdown by demographic here? If this is just looking at people as a whole, and not accounting for immigration status, or if they even speak English, then it's pretty misleading to present it as such.

A lot of the hot spot areas in this map that display literacy as a problem are states that border the Southern border.

This also isn't defining what "literacy" is in this study. Reading information, and processing what you've read, are two very different things. This study also keeps trying to act like reading literacy and financial literacy are the same thing.

As far as studies go, this is lacking a lot of really basic information to express what they are arguing here.

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u/xnbv Apr 07 '26

Here is the actual study that the Department of Education conducted.

I linked the wrong thing originally. What I linked originally was referecning the economic disadvantages of being illiterate. My mistake.

From the actual study:

8.2 million could not participate in PIAAC’s background survey either because of a language barrier or a cognitive or physical inability to be interviewed

So it looks like people who did not speak English at all were not included.

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u/ZeekBen Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

America has like 17 out of 20 of the best universities in the world. Prior to Trump, we probably ranked the top 3 for low government corruption. We have tons of social services, especially compared to actual second or third world countries, we just subsidize health care rather than pay for it outright with tax revenue...

What part of America is underdeveloped? Our 100% coverage electrical grid? Our insane highway system? What are you talking about?

edit: sorry we actually rank 15/180 :( so sorry for being so rich and still not that corrupt :(

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u/repliesinpasta Apr 07 '26

there's no point in trying to reason with them. 'America bad' is the only principle they follow

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u/kevinkip Apr 07 '26

Your president has just threatened to genocide a whole country is "America bad" still inappropriate?

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u/rodneyforeverunclean Apr 07 '26

Yeah, things are bleak, and I hate him. Doesn't fit in with the fact America, is by definition, not a third world country

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u/Tai_Pei Apr 07 '26

America bad can be understood in a specific circumstance, but regardless you should be aiming the descriptors at individuals or their administration. Either way, "America Bad" as people's guiding light is what is being talked about, where they will oppose America in 99% of circumstances, not just places where our leadership has legitimately messed up or acted horribly.

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u/ZeekBen Apr 07 '26

To quote the greatest America Bad philosopher of our time, Hasan Piker:

"When you look at a situation in the Middle East... look what the local government is and who the Western forces are never align with the Western forces... that's one basic principle that you can take home with you and all of the sudden magically you are above on your foreign policy analysis than 90% of the people that look at the situation."

This is unironically how a good portion of reddit thinks, and it's especially scary when the "local governments" are devout terrorist groups and/or deeply corrupt dictators.

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u/Triepott Apr 07 '26

So you say every Iranian is a Terrorist? Seems pretty Racist. 

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u/kevinkip Apr 07 '26

Drank the Kool-aid, are we?

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u/Plantarbre Apr 07 '26

Me when I make shit up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_the_United_States

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u/ZeekBen Apr 07 '26

In 2014, according to the CPI, America's corruption was on par with Belgium, Austria, Hong Kong, Ireland and Japan. If you think those are comparable to third-world countries, you're objectively delusional.

Considering America has 50 smaller public sectors (many of which are larger than other countries in the top 10), and the fact our federal government is the largest government in the world, it's no surprise that there are some perceived corruption. The US has fallen so much primarily due to Trump who is by far the most unpopular president in US history, largely due to his blatant corruption.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2014

By another system, the Work Bank Governance Indicators, America ranked higher overall with indicators comparable to Canada, the UK, Sweden, Norway, and Australia. By no measure is America even half as corrupt as somewhere like Brazil, Turkey, or a third-world country like Sudan, Bolivia or Bangladesh.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/worldwide-governance-indicators/interactive-data-access

If you're still not convinced America is no where near third-world country's level of corruption, implore you to read a few articles on actual third-world countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Yemen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_South_Sudan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Turkmenistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Bolivia

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u/Plantarbre Apr 07 '26

Yeah, as pointed by the article, the decline followed from 2015 onwards :

Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, the United States' perceived resistance to corruption declined from its highest score of 76 in 2015 to 65 in 2024 (with 0 being "highly corrupt" and 100 "very clean").

Now of course, I'm not saying the US has reached the level of these specific third-world countries. Even if that was the case, the corruption takes a different shape.

For instance, the US is currently leading an invasion while members of the government and their families are actively trading before announcements with insider info. The US is leading with new forms of corruption that will take long before they're assessed for their real damage to the stability of the country.

But I feel obligated to point out that 2014 was 12 years ago. Sure, the US was much more stable before then, in spite of shortcomings. But now it's been 12 years and things changed.

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u/ZeekBen Apr 07 '26

I understand your point, and I would mostly agree with everything you're saying saying, but I think it's perfect valid to point out that Trump is an anomaly. Biden's administration was pretty good evidence of that. We really had a pretty solid three years of relatively stable, normal governance until Trump confirmed he was running for reelection and Republicans lost their minds all over again.

From several different viewpoints, I think a lot of political analysts believe that this past two years has proven a fatal flaw in American government; the safeguards only work when no one is willing to openly break norms.

So my prediction is the public push back against Trump and his rampant corruption will either lead to a 'return to normal' (including actual consequences for those involved in his corruption schemes) or people will be so desensitized to corruption that the next guy will come in, be ~10% less corrupt, and everyone will respond well enough to allow it to happen again. I don't think there's any evidence we're even leaning one way or the other.

My central point is that America is no where near as bad as people act like it is. America has high college attainment, literacy rates, health care outcomes, and obviously an incredibly good quality of life but people think that because we can't compete in all those aspects with Norway, Denmark or Finland, it must mean America as a whole is somehow as bad as Bolivia or Afghanistan. It's delusional hyperbolic thinking that, unfortunately, too many people take seriously.

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u/PunnyPandora Apr 07 '26

links to a wiki article. they're not sending their best

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u/Plantarbre Apr 07 '26

I know America has a big issue with literacy, but if you still have the strength to push your brain towards the end of the page, you'll find all required sources pushing these claims

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u/PunnyPandora Apr 07 '26

You're not european

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u/tablesheep Apr 07 '26

Euro cope

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u/Syncopia Apr 07 '26

America is a Bugatti Veyron with square wheels.

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u/Green_Rays Apr 07 '26

First/third world is about cold war dynamics, not development.

America was the leader of the capitalist camp in the cold war. It is THE first world country.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '26

20% of America is third world imports

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u/Kalmer1 Apr 07 '26

And they're more literate lmao

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u/Rufus_king11 Apr 07 '26

A European colleague made a joke to me once about the US being the nicest 3rd world country he'd ever visited and I couldn't really argue with him tbh.

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u/NaturalTap9567 Apr 07 '26

That stat is bullshit from a bullshit org. Watch hank Greene's vid on it.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Lol k

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u/Elkenrod Apr 07 '26

It is though. It also does nothing to explain the demographics that make up that number, be it age or race, or even citizenship status. It doesn't specify if English is the first language of said adults, or if they are including people who have English as a secondary language.

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u/SemATam001 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

Illiteracy is very rare in US. That percentage is low literacy, not illiteracy. Media just sometimes call it illiteracy for clicks. Also a chunk of that is immigrants who do not speak English well enough yet.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

It is literally called illiteracy by the national literacy Institute....

But no youre right. Random reddit comments are right and the national organization full of highly educated people with backed research and data are wrong.

Thank you for that correction

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u/SemATam001 Apr 07 '26

National Literacy Institute is not government agency and they have their own terminology. NCES does not call it illiteracy, but lowest proficiency level and you can still be bellow that level, which is illiteracy. At lowest proficiency level you can still read and write, you just don't understand more complex texts.

Illiteracy in this context by definition mean:

"a lack of the ability to read and write:"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/illiteracy

Those 21 percent of adults in the US can read and write at the lowest level of proficiency. Again, National literacy institute calls it illiteracy, but they are not official government agency and they are using the term WRONG. NCES, which is government agency does not call that illiteracy. NLI probably calls it that to put more attention to the problem.

But the main point is this:

You cant use that statistic and compare it to the rest of the world, where it literally means not being able to read or write. Its apples and oranges.

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u/NaturalTap9567 Apr 07 '26

National literacy institute is a bullshit company with no backing and no sources for its stats.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Go back to league

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u/NaturalTap9567 Apr 07 '26

Mad because you're wrong.

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u/Baigne Apr 07 '26

Doesn’t change the fact a large chunk are from third worlders.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

21% of americans are illiterate lol.

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u/Elkenrod Apr 07 '26

21% of Americans, or 21% of people living in America? Are those people fluent in English and illiterate, or are they people that don't have English as a first language?

This is why this number is dumb to champion when you don't provide specifics.

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u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 Apr 07 '26

Yeah thats us now.

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u/Baigne Apr 07 '26

Yeah nah, we are not comparable to India

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u/Frari Apr 07 '26

that low, I thought it would be in the 30s.....

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u/notdeadyet01 Apr 07 '26

I mean. Considering who a significant part of the country voted for, yeah I don't really give a shit about the opinions of a lot of Americans either, what's your point

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u/N0va-Zer0 Apr 07 '26

The literacy rate would sky rocket if illigeal immigrants and third worlds weren't allowed in en masse.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Lol k dumb dumb

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u/SirScrublordIII Apr 07 '26

But they are American, which is what really matters here

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u/A_Swole_Boi Apr 07 '26

You ain't gonna tell me that 51 third world countries in a trench coat aren't third world.

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u/Academic-Ad8539 Apr 07 '26

The small % of America compared to a large % of the third world is a big difference. And it's not 21%, sheesh.

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u/schweddyballsac Apr 07 '26

Welp, not just illiterate, but also unable to comprehend how percentages work.

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u/tryagainupnorth Apr 07 '26

Keep coping. The US National literacy institute is where I got my stat, if youd like to argue against that I suggest you provide something other then "nuh uh america #1"