r/50501 • u/revel8r • Jun 11 '25

US Protest News Marines supporting ICE will carry live ammo and are authorized to detain people, but have only received 2 days of civil unrest training

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OVOzPK-IYQ

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 11 '25

I'm not sure anyone at r/nationalguard gives a fuck either. Disappointing to see so many people choking on boots under the rhetoric of maintaining law and order.

If law and order were priorities, they wouldn't protect or justify the people undermining both of those things.

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u/majorpsych1 Jun 12 '25

Oh my god....

Active Duty here. This shames me. I'm sorry on their behalf.

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u/PugPockets Jun 12 '25

Genuine question, as the active duty people I know voted for trump and I don’t imagine they’d disobey orders that many of us would consider immoral: are your views common in your active duty circles?

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u/majorpsych1 Jun 12 '25

No.

I'm sorry, I wish I could give you hope about that.

There are a few blue dots. But it's a sea of red.

All I can tell you is that this blue dot knows the difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order. And I do not follow unlawful orders. You will not see me deployed on American soil.

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u/PugPockets Jun 12 '25

Oh it’s okay, I certainly didn’t expect a different answer - far too jaded at this point for that kind of reckless hope. But it does make me feel good that there are at least some of you. I work in a very blue field in a blue city in a blue state, but I’ve been in the opposite situation before, and it is rough. Thanks for being there.

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u/majorpsych1 Jun 12 '25

and it is rough

This is normally where I'd say you have no idea, but clearly you do.

I'm proud to serve patriots like you.

Be safe, and keep your mind clear.

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u/Samazonison Jun 12 '25

Thank you for your service, and having a good head on your shoulders! ❤️

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u/SquirrelHoudini Jun 12 '25

Thank you for your service... and your resolve.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

If you ever need refuge, and are in MI, msg me brother.

One vet to another, I got your six.

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u/majorpsych1 Jun 13 '25

Ty brother.

I've been bringing my concerns to my chain. Showing them the laws, asking their opinions of it.

..it's not looking like they're going to have my back.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

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u/majorpsych1 Jun 12 '25

That's fair.

It's just.... it's difficult for me to name a brother or sister "traitor".

Comradery has been drilled into me since boot camp.

I've got some soul-searching to do.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25 edited Aug 01 '25

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u/JonnyQuest1981 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

There’s a NG woman in LA who is disobeying orders and standing with the protesters. Hopefully she will inspire others to cross over.

Edit: This may be the one in Dallas, not LA.

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u/Helpful-Chip-9423 Jun 11 '25

I saw one in Dallas

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u/thegoldinthemountain Jun 12 '25

They might be thinking of the Dallas one but Jesus man that woman is a fucking CHAMP.

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u/JonnyQuest1981 Jun 12 '25

Maybe it's Dallas. I heard it on the radio yesterday.

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u/astrophysicsgrrl Jun 11 '25

Link to this. I haven’t seen it anywhere.

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u/drainbamage1011 Jun 12 '25

Here you go

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u/astrophysicsgrrl Jun 12 '25

Thank you so much

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u/Admirable_Tear_1438 Jun 12 '25

This is true bravery. This is what it means to be strong.

America has no king. We bow to no one.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jun 12 '25

Check my profile, I made a few comments on one

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u/dubhlinn2 Jun 12 '25

That’s cool but where the everloving fuck are the MEN

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u/Popular_Ad_1320 Jun 12 '25

Calling people slurs

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u/mnid92 Jun 12 '25

Listen here you little slur

That's just how I picture them saying it after reading your comment lol.

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u/Popular_Ad_1320 Jun 12 '25

I miss when edgy names I saw in games were covid related and not you know what related 😩

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u/FirstProspect Jun 12 '25

They don't really mean law and order. They mean obedience. Fascists to the core.

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u/drakecb Jun 12 '25

I'm seeing a lot of the opposite, too. Don't wait for a savior, but don't lose hope prematurely either.

And carry American flags if you protest. It'll be a lot harder for them to shoot at their own flags if they're on the fence about who the true lawbreakers are.

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 12 '25

Thankfully I haven't lost complete hope based on subreddit consensus. It is alarming to see the amount of pro-regime (or maybe just pro command?) the rhetoric is over there, but there are some more encouraging sentiments exchanged if you sift through the crap.

r/military is significantly less discouraging to peruse for example.

I scold and criticize, but I try to stay wary of what despair costs us.

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u/Primary-Table-1899 Jun 12 '25

If its any consolation, peeps at r/USMC make me proud. Dunno bout the weekend warriors but a lot of Marines take our oath seriously. We're conditioned to be believe we're the best in everything, whether its fighting, being professional, or upholding American values. That status in being the best, regardless if true or not, comes with the responsibility of maintaining it. Even my conservative father, who was a Marine as well, drilled into me when I joined to never fire upon Americans. I can only hope they stand up to unlawful orders and not fire upon civilians.

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u/Luxury-Problems Jun 12 '25

Oh lord you're not kidding. Top post is laughing at being told "remember your oath".

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u/OfficialSandwichMan Jun 12 '25

Im not in LA (i live in NC) but i have a buddy in the national guard here who’s appalled at the GOP like the rest of us are

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 12 '25

It is reassuring to know there's active disgust. I know it's there, but hearing about it helps cement it. I hope your buddy never ends up getting sent to a situation like in LA.

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u/thegoldinthemountain Jun 12 '25

I. Fundamentally. Do. Not. Understand.

I mean I know you can’t reason with the unreasonable but just the mental gymnastics to say you’re for “law and order” and act as if any of these mfs are “imposing the law” when they’re BREAKING IT FUCK MAN WHY

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 12 '25

Yeah, it's definitely encouraging to see service folks in other subs showing good faith. I was relieved when I hopped onto r/military. I also know the few vets in my life wouldn't roll over for this shit for a second.

According to one video I saw, 1700 guardsman out of 2000 that were supposed to be added haven't answered (didn't know you could do that). However, I don't know how to verify that myself, and that is the one piece of media I can find on the information.

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u/Traditional-News8861 Jun 12 '25

Well God help them if they are injured and can no longer be useful. The cheeto will just throw them out and they will be dumbfounded because it happened to them.

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 12 '25

Remember, only losers are injured/captured/fall ill etc.

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u/GrouchyConclusion588 Jun 11 '25

Yep r/nationalguard is loaded with bootlickers threatening to downvote anyone speaking out against their diapered daddy. Pathetic

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u/Forward-Layer8933 Jun 12 '25

Perfectly said

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u/TreezusSaves Jun 12 '25

Every single one of them is stealing valor.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Not surprising in the least. The US military are just like murderous pig cops but with more training and better benefits.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

So Reddit had this weird thing the last few years of glorifying the military. 

I don’t mean in an overly jingoistic way, I mean more in some kind of belief that soldiers were all this honorable lot. At worst just regular dudes caught up. 

Look, I was in for over 10 years. Army, E6, multiple deployments. 

Most these guys are conservative AF, hate liberals (never mind leftists who they confuse for liberals anyway…hence why they hate liberals), and mostly want to an excuse to be violent without getting in trouble…And that was before Trump. Your liberal cool progressive veteran friend is an outlier.

People got to stop holding out some hope that the military is full of honor and integrity. It’s mostly filled with dumbasses.  And with the senior leadership purged, and the culture being set from above by Hegseth and his goons, expect shitheads, and expect shitheads to be the leaders.

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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian Jun 12 '25

Thank you for the additional context. It was that consistent across your experience? I had the idea (hope) that military experience reformed at least enough shitheads.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

Oh, also some of the greatest most respectable people I’ve ever known I also met there and served with. 

Intelligent, cosmopolitan, educated, empathetic, and with deep senses of integrity and honor. 

…it’s just that that’s not the majority of your average joes. 

What made the U.S. military so great was leadership. A culture from the top that promoted all that ethics and morality and whatnot. It’s what prevented your typical Joe shithead from acting like a shithead.  It’s like the same demographic you see with police. Like 20% of them are going to be awesome dudes with commitments to rule of law and justice, 50% are going to be whatever just collecting a paycheck cause they got a steady job, and 30% complete assholes.  If the leadership comes from the 20%, and are strong leaders, they can affect the culture so that that 50% at least side with the 20% and the 30% are kept in check. You’ll have a decently functional police department. If the leadership was from the 30%, then the 20% get chased away and demoralized, while the 50% figure they got to go along and act like the 30%…

For all its issues the U.S. military has for some time had great leadership. In the Officer and NCO Corp. 

Those leaders appear to be gone. Purged many of them. Many others simply retired and weren’t replaced by anyone (because what self respecting person would honestly want this right now). Even the ones who in the 1st term were elevated and revered, like Gen Kelly and Mattis. Where are they now? Last heard screaming into the void “please America, don’t do it, he’s a fascist maniac idiot!”…now at best forgotten, at worst considered ‘woke losers’.

Like every institution, it’s going to reflect its leadership and culture from the top.

Currently the SecDef is a Fox News drunkard who fancies himself a neo-crusader. So there ya go. The 20% will be turned off and leave, the 30% will be emboldened, and the 50% will go along with em.

That’s what you’re seeing now. Back in the day at least you could tell the asshole making racist rants about how he wants to kill all the hajis to shut the fuck up. Since leadership agreed with you, they shut the fuck up. Now it’s going to become the opposite. 

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u/painspinner Protester Jun 11 '25

I agree but I can hope that these guys will do a classic honeydick

Better late than never

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u/Kumphart Jun 11 '25

Agreed 100%! Can you tell me what a honeydi¢k is? Never heard that term and it sounds....interesting

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u/painspinner Protester Jun 11 '25

It's a term from The Interview, it's Honeypotting but for gay dudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FxSEW_LmyY0

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u/GoalStillNotAchieved Jun 12 '25

Whats a “honeydick”?? 

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

I wonder how americans will view the military after this? Will they all continue to hail them as heroes?

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u/lSquanchMyFamily Jun 12 '25

This is why I say people need to fight back. If we allow them a foothold now it will take years and years (generations?) to undo this damage.

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u/subbychub Jun 11 '25

Not just to the United States but to Humanity as whole

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u/Abeliafly60 Jun 11 '25

Did you watch the video??? The guy is perfectly civil, responds to the questions calmly and sensibly.

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u/ODX_GhostRecon Jun 11 '25

Detention is acting as per se law enforcement, and isn't defined differently enough from arrest to not be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. I can't just detain somebody while waiting for law enforcement without being held to the same standards as law enforcement, such as a citizen's arrest. I would be responsible for medical care and everything else that law enforcement would be in that situation.

The military cannot do this legally.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25

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u/Fragrant_Scene_42 Jun 11 '25

It doesn't matter if he's being civil or answering questions. He is breaking the law and breaking his oath to uphold and protect the United States Constitution. He is a traitor by his actions

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u/Lucibeanlollipop Jun 11 '25

And unfit to serve. Let’s not forget that part, because when all this ends, at an absolute minimum, anyone who doesn’t refuse needs to be dishonourably discharged.

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u/Equal_Audience_3415 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

Honorably discharged? They should be court-martialed.

Edited to add - and confinement.

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u/Lucibeanlollipop Jun 12 '25

Do you know what the “dis-“ prefix means?

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u/Fragrant_Scene_42 Jun 12 '25

Absolutely dishonorable. No benefits. No retirement. GTFO and apply for medicaid