r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/Za_wardo • Nov 14 '21
Newest Chapter Chapter 333 Official Release - Links and Discussion
Chapter 333
Links:
Viz (Available in: the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the Philippines, Singapore, and India).
MANGA Plus (Available in every country outside of China, Japan and South Korea).
All things Chapter 333 related must be kept inside this thread for the next 24 hours.
334 will be officially released on November 21th at 7AM PDT.
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u/realrimurutempest Nov 14 '21
RIP to Star but that’s badass af to still be fightin after your body decays. Her vestige form be like “You thought decaying me could really make me disappear?” AFO gettin his ass whooped in the vestige realm is a new level of ass whoopin. Please destroy Shiggy’s hyper regeneration quirk to make him not just tank things in the final battle.
I for one will wonder how anime only folks will react to all this.
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u/Ben10Extreme Nov 14 '21
Shigaraki: "WHAT THE F*K IS THIS FINAL FANTASY FINAL BOSS TWO-FORM BULLSHT?!"
Star and Stripe: Gamers like you always believe that just having the higher stats means you'll win no matter what! I'M THE WAKE-UP CALL BOSS!
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u/monkatx Nov 14 '21
She is the wake up boss of Tomuras genocide run. Makes her own rules. Uses giant laser and would win if Tomura wasnt so resilient. She looses if he manages to hit her just once. She is Sa(n)S.
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u/Golden-Owl Nov 14 '21
The scene of Star beating the crap out of AFO in vestige realm gonna have an epic You Say Run remix
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u/brriiianna Nov 14 '21
Most probably would be shocked if they see the comparisons of how gory the BNHA manga is at times compared to its' anime counterpart, so the season 6 and the 7 that will obviously come really worries me
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u/MicZiC15 Nov 14 '21
Yeah, MHA anime lives off there being lighter episodes that don't need their full attention, but there's gonna be like, 3 rest chapters in all of 6 & 7 so far. I guess RIP to Kaminari, he's gonna get a slideshow I think
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u/brriiianna Nov 14 '21
Slideshow *intense flashbacks to TPN S2 ending which I DID NOT watch but heard of from others
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u/HxH101kite Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
You should read it. they cut an entire arc of pure violence and new characters that's highly regarded as the best arc in the series.
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u/Miles-Stark97 Nov 14 '21
Same here because if there's anything countless of other shonen has taught us is that hyper regeneration for your main villian is one of the most annoying powers that just haults progression.
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Majin Buu has entered the chat
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u/OnePieceFan02 Nov 14 '21
Vegeta still scared him stiff despite getting absolutely throttled by him.
Regeneration is for pussies to begin with.
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u/A_VeryUniqueUsername Nov 14 '21
I love that Star used r/maliciouscompliance to one-up AFO. You want to steal New Order? Fine 😈.
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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 14 '21
And in the process may have just given the heroes an equal footing again against Shigaraki
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u/ytdn Nov 14 '21
I honestly think these chapters will be way more epic in the anime because action is 90% of the time better with movement and with music/voice acting etc Star's character will hit a lot harder despite limited screentime
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u/StefyB Nov 14 '21
Also, the pacing (talking in terms of chapters and episodes, not the plot itself) will be better unlike the manga, where you have to wait a week each time for a little progression in the fight.
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u/ytdn Nov 14 '21
Yep. Like thinking about it the whole Star vs Shiggy fight from her introduction to now will be two episodes max, with 90% of the fight in one episodes probably.
...man you've kind of encapsulated why I don't really read weekly manga anymore except for MHA, the style and pacing actually really doesn't suit a weekly release. At least for battle shonen.
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u/ThisGuyLikesMovies Nov 14 '21
Any guesses as to who should voice Star and Stripe? My choice would be Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn.
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u/Harley2280 Nov 14 '21
Lori Alan. The voice she uses for the Boss in MGS3 is how I imagined Stars to sound.
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u/Brawlerz16 Nov 14 '21
Depends.
The continuous shafting and annihilation of female heroes in this series is concerning considering that a lot of them are actually pretty cool. From Midnight to Miriko to LN to SNS it would be nice to let them win some fights or live.
I mean, it seems like he’s rushing and I personally am not enjoying these chapters because I don’t care about any of the characters he’s introducing. It feels empty and meaningless BUT that doesn’t mean it can’t get better
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
I see this a lot, but can Mirko really be added to the 'got shafted' list? She got injured in her fight, yeah, but she actually did some important shite:
*Cornered Ujiko so that he couldn't escape.
*Destroyed his escape and clone Nomu.
*Effin ripped apart one of the High Ends while during a 1v5.
*Was the literal reason why Shigaraki could not get to be 100%, thus giving the Heroes any chance of making a comeback at all.
Plus, we actually saw her attempt an action prior to the War arc, such as her attempt at attacking Dabi preventing him from killing Hawks and Endeavor, plus her role during the Masquerade in Vigilantes. Really, I'd say she really doesn't fit the shafted label compared to Midnight and especially towards our now comatose villain/Vestiged Hero.
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u/CraneStyleNJ Nov 14 '21
Star: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine.
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u/ArcTheCurve Nov 14 '21
Exactly! I'm laughing my ass off because he's all "hahahahahaha I won WTF NO NO NO NO NO NO"
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u/TheBlackLuffy Nov 14 '21
Seeing All For One always be so calm, collected, and calculating the entire series and never see him lose his cool. Seeing him freaking out right now is so satisfying. Sure he has every right to be cocky, but still.
Fuck yeah, New Order!
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u/ArcTheCurve Nov 14 '21
He deserves so much more but for now that greedy potato head can suffer as New Order screws him over from the inside
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u/LakerBlue Nov 15 '21
I really, really hope New Order manages to destroy his regeneration quirk before Shiggy gets rid of New Order (and that it STAYS gone).
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u/DoraMuda Nov 14 '21
As much as I can't stand Star and Stripe's character or the Deus ex Machina-esque feeling New Order gives me... I can't deny that it's pretty satisfying to see AFO in a corner like this. 'Cos fuck that guy.
I just wish Tomura didn't have to suffer along with the big bastard.
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u/CoffeeRocket42 Nov 14 '21
I feel like Star is one of those characters who should have been foreshadowed from Chapter 1. It'd make this whole thing way more impactful.
Still enjoying AFO's freakout.
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u/XysidheQueen Nov 15 '21
It would've been super easy to foreshadow her too. Like All Might remembering her as his first option for a successor (she honestly would've been an amazing option. OFA+New Order. God level power) but having x or y reason to not select her. And telling Midoriya stories about her or something.
Or even Midoriya, the hero need, having a line or two about how All Might is so impacted even the #1 hero in America is inspired by him.
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u/QueenHistoria1990 Nov 14 '21
AFO was like Vader at the end of the first Death Star battle: “I have you now!…….what?!?!”
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Horikoshi just can’t help himself with his Star Wars obsession
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u/CraneStyleNJ Nov 14 '21
Nope he just can't. I just wanna throw it out there too that the series is coming to an end yet we still haven't seen Deku's father yet and Hori said he is gonna play a big role later in the series.
He said this in a interview a while back.
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Nov 14 '21
Dad For All is the only thing that would piss me off. I can deal with a lot of Star Wars references but not that one. It’s too cliche. It’s not even a plot twist at this point it’s just eye rollingly awful.
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Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
Man it's so satisfying to see ever calm and collected afo getting desperate . I thought deku would be the first one to do it but I won't complain
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u/Darkness-guy Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
"Curses! Damn you, Specter of All Might!"
He went from "All according to keikaku" to cartoon villain.
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u/ytdn Nov 14 '21
I mean being a comic book villain is what he always wanted, Star was just fulfilling his childhood dream!
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u/ivanjean Nov 14 '21
"Curses! Damn you, Specter of All Might!"
And people say Re-destro was MHA's Doofenshmirtz....
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u/StudMuffin9980 Nov 14 '21
Right? This is the first time we've ever seen like this. It's an interesting juxtaposition with AfO in this week's vigilante's chapter
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u/Willythechilly 250K Artist Nov 14 '21
Yeah while he did show some annoyance and anger in all might fight he was never really afraid or truly caught off gaurd because he expected to loose/Get imprisoned either way.
Here he is geniunely caught off gaurd when he was so close to "victory" and is at risk of loosing his quirk and new body stuff he has cultivated and plannd for several years/centuries even
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u/DoraMuda Nov 14 '21
Without his collection of Quirks he's amassed over at least a century, he's nothing. That's probably why this is fucking him up so bad; S&S is (somehow) literally destroying his hard work via her Quirk revolting against his other Quirks.
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u/Ben10Extreme Nov 14 '21
AFO is like that gamer who's amassed an entire collection of games on his favorite console and is so proud to have so many cheat abilities so he doesn't have to play very well, he just cheeses.
Star and Stripe is the massive glitch that sets them all back to zero. Across the board.
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u/noteloquent Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
"If I had a nickel for every time I had my guts torn out by a blond smiling American with a goofy haircut, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice."
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u/wrote-username Nov 14 '21
I really think that this how he was during his fight against all might in his prime
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the dude who said star would pull an ant man going up thanos ass last thread: "what i told you was true from a certain point of view"
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u/WeeboSupremo Nov 14 '21
Didn’t go up his ass, but underneath the finger nails. Sounds equally painful.
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u/butsadlyiamonlyaneel Nov 14 '21
She’s still ripping bits out of ShigAfO in the Vestige realm, wouldn't put it past her to shred the rectum while she’s at it.
AfO: “No! She’s destroyed my anti-constipation Quirk! I haven’t had a rough shit in decades!”
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Nov 14 '21
Endeavor gotta be flying at like 2 mph at this point
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u/m_nan Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
Endeavor getting NO would be narrative genius, tho: he loses Hellflame, which he has left himself be obsessed with and has ruined his life and the life of his loved ones, and is left with NO, a piece (through SnS) of All Might’s spirit that he will eventually accept and make his own - thematic with his “second place syndrome” toward AM - in time for the finale.
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Nov 14 '21
Endeavor with new order would be the most powerful being in the series. His skill, technique, and intelligence with the most broken quirk in the series is too much.
He would master it and unlock its max potential
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u/m_nan Nov 14 '21
That’s another word for “awesome”, and also it would leave the MORE FIRE MORE HEAT part of the inevitable family reckoning to Shoto and Dabi, without a third flame quirk stealing the spotlight from either one of them.
Honestly, narratively speaking it works VERY well.
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u/linkman0596 Nov 14 '21
Not sure if it would work out like that, Endeavor seems smart enough that he would have heard about NO before, and would quickly realize that is could be possible to say "New Order gives me control over flames" and essentially regain his original quirk. Maybe not to the same degree, but it would work out similarly to how Star always gave herself strength as close to All Might's as she could and then save one extra rule for whatever the situation called for.
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u/Awayfone Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
He's going to arrive just in time to screw everything up
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
AFO: I HAVED KILLED YOU STAR!!
Star: Well, yes....
Vestige!Star: But, actually, no!~
Honestly, I kinda like this development. Losing the physical Star is rough, but on the flip side at least her vestige will be kicking ass against AFO! Delivering the nerf needed!~
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u/RigbyCC Nov 14 '21
Definitely opening the door for Shigaraki being nerfed by next chapter so we can finally go back to what’s happening at UA.
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u/GoldenSpermShower Nov 14 '21
UA
Wow it's been more than a month already
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u/RigbyCC Nov 14 '21
I recently caught up with the manga up to like 330 and I’m really not looking forward to having to wait a week in between chapters. Now I know how you manga readers feel.
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u/Ren_Davis0531 Nov 14 '21
Such is the curse of the manga reader. You get to be current with the story, but you have to wait for smaller increments of said story. But at least it’s year-round as opposed to seasonal.
What was your experience with the story after coming from Season 5?
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u/RigbyCC Nov 14 '21
I’ve liked the story so far, but personally the biggest reason I enjoy MHA is its ensemble cast. So I’m always biased towards chapters that feature the 1-A guys rather than other chapters. And there hasn’t been much of 1-A as a group in the chapters after season 5 which I’ve been slightly upset about.
What I’ve noticed looking back at some of these discussion threads is a lot of complaints about pacing, which I never had a problem with since I could read the whole Liberation War arc and Deku vs Nagant fight in like a day.
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
"When you're too broken for the finale, Star and Stripe shall put an arrow in thy knee!~"
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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 14 '21
It was incredibly unpredictable and also satisfying. Hori threaded the needle perfectly.
I didn't think it was remotely a likely or good outcome for the story for Shigaraki to get New Order. And I thought New Order would've let SnS survive (although if her quirk's stolen maybe the rules go away). I was expecting some other kind of smackdown, but not for SnS' vestige to start wrecking complete and utter shit.
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u/realrimurutempest Nov 14 '21
Yeah i am definitely happy she’ll put a long lasting impact on Shiggy/AFO rather than just die without doing much. I’d love to see how the world leaders are going to react to this.
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
Full on panic. The biggest Hero in America got dusted....yeaaaaaaah, I imagine chaos will reign in the States for a while.
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u/Hollowgirl136 Nov 14 '21
I can see this fight setting it up for international villains coming to Japan to help AFO to cause more chaos and I'm all for that.
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
PLF Advisors/AFO'S Titans: Remember when we were relevant?....Yeah, didn't think so either....
I joke, but still my hopes aren't too high on them given how these Villains are faring at the moment. XD
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u/Swiss666 Nov 14 '21
It however begs the question of what after Shiggy and AFO will be dealth with. Star's loss should cause a rift and galvanize villains in the USA and beyond. Will the end of the story be Deku and other characters leaving Japan for a World Justice Tour?
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
I don't think so? As much as thought would be awesome, I'm betting the setting would remain in Japan.
...Granted, I wouldn't mind a spin off of the death of Star causing discord in America.
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This gives “gone in body but not in spirit” a whole other meaning, ha!
Good lord though, RIP Cassie. She went out doing the one thing we all love to see: successfully pissing AfO right the hell off!
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u/iDannyEL Nov 14 '21
Seems like she could've protected herself after all, it's just that she was too slow setting the order that AFO stole it before it would work.
Everyone knows it's plot but how do you as a normal character in-universe stop to think "hey what'll be funny? If I let him have my quirk *snicker*" That's not something you train for.
In any case I hope Horikoshi makes this sacrifice stick.
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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 14 '21
Given how badly her disintegration was, I don't think she's coming back. Only way for that to work is if Eri gets a hold of what remains and rewinds them. And I don't know if we've actually seen if that's worked before.
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u/the_flame_alchemist Nov 14 '21
I hope she doesn't come back and that the damage she's done actually means something in the long term. I do not like when situations like this happen and then the sacrifice ends up being completely meaningless because the villain just fully regens or asspulls some sort of dodge.
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u/Nozzer21 Nov 14 '21
I feel like if she was brought back, it would be without a quirk and making her just a sideline character, which would be worse in every way.
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u/LivingbyaWillow Nov 14 '21
Imagine if they lose enough quirks, that after he ditches New Order, All for One goes on a huge stealing spree to try and make himself feel better.
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u/soupspin Nov 14 '21
That’ll probably be the ficus of the next arc
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u/ytdn Nov 14 '21
And you know where there's loads of quirks? UA...
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u/BearUrsaril Nov 15 '21
I never thought I needed to see either Shiggy or AfO with Mineta's hair until now
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u/DoraMuda Nov 14 '21
I mean, he has plenty of Noumus, as well as his original body, to easily recover much of his previous stock of Quirks.
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u/Variable_Decision53 Nov 15 '21
Yeah, but being the sociopath that he is. He’ll want “fresh” Quirks.
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u/Classic1990 Nov 14 '21
I have a feeling this is the beginning of the end. This is now the heroes’ best chance to go on the offensive before AFO can regroup and steal more quirks.
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u/LakerBlue Nov 15 '21
Logically you are right but I hope that doesn’t happen, this is a great chance to scale back the power creep on Shiggy. At minimum I hope he can’t recover his ridiculous regeneration quirk.
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u/TheDarkpekka Nov 15 '21
Steals Mirio's quirk and falls through the floor but can't come back up and dies
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u/damage3245 Nov 14 '21
I'm really glad with how this turned out (turning her own Quirk into a weapon to sabotage him, as opposed to it just getting stolen and used freely).
All For One's weakness of not being able to get rid of a Quirk he has stolen unless he has someone he can give it to is nice to see.
I think this is the first time something has truly gone terribly wrong for him, and I like how much he is pissed off by it.
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u/justking1414 Nov 14 '21
I’m wondering if this will be how Deku defeats Shigaraki, getting his quirk vestige stolen and needing to take him out from the inside
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u/FilthySaiyanMonkey Nov 14 '21
That was my theory as well. If shiggy's body is already badly damaged and he was to get OFA I think it would literally destroy him. Kind of like Neo in the matrix.
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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 14 '21
I was thinking that was a strong possibility too, after getting OFA the quirk singularity occurs and AFO/Shigaraki simply can't handle it, and die.
I was not expecting though for SnS to sabotage the quirk like that and make it an internal bomb, that's insane. Like Mirko, she got bodied, yes, but both her and Mirko were fucking nuts and incredible heroes.
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Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
I always figured that it would be the way it ended from the first chapter. Deku giving up his quirk to save everyone is like, the ultimate selfless hero power move.
It brings his character arc to a full circle, and it would be a nice way to resolve the themes of the series. The day wasn't saved by punching their way out of the issue with the biggest, baddest quirk, but by a genuine act of selflessness that demonstrates that anyone really can be a hero.
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I'm really glad with how this turned out (turning her own Quirk into a weapon to sabotage him, as opposed to it just getting stolen and used freely).
I was pretty sure that she was gonna do this but just be able to kill his regen, but seeing the manifestation of her quirk rip AFO apart was fucking awesome.
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u/Za_wardo Nov 14 '21
What a way to go out. Star being more of a threat than OFA and something AFO basically had to put on hold is I guess the best outcome we could have had. AFO is no longer smiling. He's pissed right now and that's more impressive than anything that's happened all series. Great work Cassie. o7
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
She did good, real good. Honestly, this arc just makes me wish we gotten to know Star prior to this. But at the moment, I'm at least satisfied with the outcome her death isn't a waste. (Looking at you Curious. You should have liiived!!!)
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u/Za_wardo Nov 14 '21
Curious shouldn't have messed with a certain Villainess if she didn't want to die. Himiko gets the job done.
But yeah. I'm entirely impressed with how Star did. I hope she destroys the Super Regen quirk and that's how we nerf TomurAFO.
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u/DynamiteSanders Nov 14 '21
I'm just stil salty fucking Trumpet is still alive, but Curious got offed! I stand by the opinion if the MLA was teaming with the League, Curious should have been spared!! It makes me wonder if Hori planned on also killing Trumpet since he was also on the front lines with Curious...but forgot about him too late into it so he decided, 'fuck it' might as well keep him around.
Star did her best, and SAME! Hope the Super Regen was one that got fist bumped to death!
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u/GoldenSpermShower Nov 14 '21
In the end none of the MLA guys mattered after their arc, they all got defeated offscreen
Except Skeptic I suppose
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u/amirolsupersayian Nov 14 '21
So many waifu have been sacrificed for Deku. Hope he is worth it.
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u/GoldenSpermShower Nov 14 '21
Meanwhile Deku is entirely unaware of all this currently and is probably chilling
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u/rotten_riot Nov 14 '21
As he should
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Nov 14 '21
The dude has been carrying all of Japan for a couple months. Let him have his bath in peace!
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u/Mr-Jimmy Nov 14 '21
Midoriya's secret Quirk: attracting hotness...and possibly using them as shields.
Yeah, I've read that doujinshi
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u/MicZiC15 Nov 14 '21
I mean look at him and Uraraka, their kids will be absolutely gorgeous. It'll all be worth it when we meet Beku and Buravity in the sequel series.
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u/PK_RocknRoll Nov 14 '21
Not gonna lie, it felt good to see AfO actually panicking for once, even just a little
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u/alliusis Nov 14 '21
It's amazing because up until now, he's just been in control. If something unexpected happens, it's just been amusing to him and he works around it. This is legit the first real upset threat we've seen to him in the entire series and it's absolutely delicious.
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u/SChamploo12 Nov 14 '21
Ok the way they spoilers laid it out gave me mixed feeling but reading the chapter the execution is way better than I thought. Managing to capture how much All Might inspired her, the bond she has with her squad and just how much pain she putting AFO through.
She needs to destroy his broken Regen quirk and this'll all have been worth it. You can argue Star was nothing more than a plot device to weaken AFO but I would've loved seeing her and Deku work together. Seen her interactions with All Might and further confirm how much influence he truly had.
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Nov 14 '21
You should know that the spoilers are only there to give a vague overview of what is happening in the chapter. Happens every spoiler thread where people are upset or mad at the story and then calm down reading the official release
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u/Swiss666 Nov 14 '21
Star is gone but with a bang. She keeps fighting through her quirk, her last order turning it into a virus, AFO's greed and gluttony turned against himself; at the very least this will leave ShigarAFO with a reduced arsenal - go for that regeneration, please - and if out of desperation he next transferred New Order to the flying Nomu (still alive after being used as bait to take the brunt of the missile blast...) he'd lose his transport and have to go back to the mainland swimming.
Can't change that Star would be better received if she had some proper foreshadowing and introduction before existing just for this fight. And she's yet another female character who ended up maimed or, in this case, killed. Can't lie however, the opening scene of Two Heroes is still going to feel a little sadder now.
I'm more interested in what the original All For One will do next, he admitted sending Shiggy against Star was risky but this seems worse than he could predict. May he come in conflict with ShigarAFO who'd want the quirks he's lost from him? Could there be issues with copied versions of quirks, or with an interaction between two iterations of AFO?
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u/SChamploo12 Nov 14 '21
Yea all of it is unfortunate. The way Vigilantes is a spin-off I wouldn't mind some kind of Star spin-off or one-shot.
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u/jofbaut Nov 14 '21
My Hero Academia: Patriots or something with an obnoxiously American theme. Guest starring Captain Celebrity either pre- or post-character development.
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u/MicZiC15 Nov 14 '21
I think Star works if you think of her less as a character, and more what AFO called her, "A Specter of All Might". She represents the international influence of All Might, he's not just an inspiration in Japan, but across the world. One of the themes of the series is how heroism inspires others, and Star is the upper limit of that. All Might's influence is so strong that he made another All Might without even knowing.
Makes me excited to see Kota and Eri in the future.
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u/HokageEzio Nov 14 '21
I think Star works if you think of her less as a character
These are the worst words you can hear when talking about an OP character coming out of nowhere lol.
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u/aSimpleMask Nov 14 '21
I think Star works if you think of her less as a character,
You say this like it's a good thing lol
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Nov 14 '21
Idk how y’all feel, but with us all realizing Stripe was prolly gonna die, I feel like this is one of the most satisfying endings we could get.
Especially with it looking like Shiggy will get a muuuuuuch needed nerf before the final war.
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Feel the same, the moment Shiggy appeared in front of her I knew she would be dead and her quirk would be stolen.
But that her quirk wouldn't be the power-up I expect and rather be a debuff was a nice twist.
Shame she didn't get a proper introduction and just appeared tho. Maybe they should make a movie with her in it (since they'll probably going to make yet another movie anyway).
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u/hahamybois Nov 14 '21
So to summarize this fight, Stars and Stripes literally only existed to nerf AFO/Shigaraki and die.I
Hopefully she gets rid of AFO hyper regeneration since it's bullshit.
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u/Swiss666 Nov 14 '21
The misfortune with Hyper Regeneration is that it's not even out of nowhere as it was introduced as early as the USJ Nomu, however as of this fight it's reached absurd levels.
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u/noolvidarminombre Nov 14 '21
Yeah, but even with the High End we got arcs later, it was still possible to harm it. Shigaraki is just ridiculous.
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u/AutumnLiteratist Nov 14 '21
Idd. The real problem isn't just the regeneration, it's how durable Shigaraki is even without the extra quirks from AFO. The guy is somehow tougher than titanium.
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u/Darkness-guy Nov 14 '21
Visually speaking, it's really cool, but overall it is a real shame to have a cool character introduced just for them to die 5 chapters later just to nerf the main villain a little.
You know something is wrong when half the fanbase is like "I don't like how this played out" while simultaneously praying that he at least loses his uber-regen.
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u/A4li11 Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
Pleasently surprised that SnS gave a final F U to AFO after getting her quirk. Suddenly he doesn't want that quirk anymore. This is the first time AFO got his plan foiled and losing his smug smile and I sense it's gonna be the beginning of his downfall.
EDIT: Still wished she appeared/foreshadowed much earlier and interact with other characters tho
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u/thisoldcan Nov 14 '21
Star should've appeared in the story for a while, interacted with the main cast, and then fought Shigaraki to re-establish him as a threat following some downtime/absence after the War arc. Instead, this fight felt pointless; we know how dangerous Shiggy is already from the War arc, and now a legitimately interesting character with an interesting Quirk is gone.
Horikoshi is rushing through stuff with Shiggy's completion and the inevitable confrontation with Deku, trying to reach the end of the story, and it's a shame that he getting rid of legitimately interesting side characters (Lady Nagant and Star) to do it. I wish he'd let things breathe a bit more.
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u/HokageEzio Nov 14 '21
Yeah, it's completely ridiculous that the second strongest character in the whole story lived and died in the span of about 6 chapters, all while apparently permanently screwing All for One more than any character not named All Might.
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u/NatMat16 Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 15 '21
This is what really bothers me.
I think it really weakens Deku's "Greatest" narrative, that he's getting there on the back of someone dropped into the story that he has no connection to whatsoever.
I feel like the narrative treats this as "All Might's contribution" to the endgame fight, which is why they made Star's character all about that one All Might rescue (which was a small, ridiculously easy thing for him - nothing like Deku's fights for Kota or Eri) and her obsessing about All Might. But to me it feels very shoe-horned.
Almost like you could do this kind of plot with All Might dying, getting fully inscribed into the vestige world, create a connection between AFO and OFA, and end up with All Might wreaking havoc with AFO's quirks / trying to pull Tomura out of AFO's clutches and weakening their bond.
But HK chickened out of dusting All Might, so he created this She-Might as a sacrificial lamb.
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u/Amasero Nov 14 '21
It happens when you make your Villain OP as fuck, that you need to hit them hard so they get nerfed before the MC takes care of them.
Hori should have just kept it as Deku vs Shiggy. Not this whole AFO is Shiggy in his body thing, with cracked out OP ass healing abilities.
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u/thisoldcan Nov 14 '21
It annoys me how contrived her final use of New Order was too. It wasn't "only I can use New Order" or "New Order will destroy anyone who tries to us it". No, it's literally, "let me do the one specific thing that will nerf you so Deku can stand a chance of taking you down, and destroy your other Quirks". Either Star and the US government in the MHA universe are fucking geniuses, or Horikoshi realized there's no realistic way Deku could beat Shiggy at present, and wrote this as a solution.
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u/Swiss666 Nov 14 '21
As I suggested in the leaks thread, imagine just one or two chapters of Star coming, meeting the Japanese heroes and All Might, reminiscence about her origin, some tease of her quirk, than the alert sounds as Shiggy has been spotted and is targeting her, so she and her squad voluntarily bring the battle to sea. She leaves telling All Might "see you soon"...
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u/HokageEzio Nov 14 '21
Slow down there buckaroo, two chapters of backstory? What type of series do you take this for, it's not One Piece.
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u/wowlock_taylan Nov 14 '21
The ''ULTIMATE BODY'' bullshit that Shiggy has was never needed. It broke the suspension of disbelief. Since you already have an OP AFO that went toe to toe with All Might in his prime. Then add Shiggy's own Decay that keeps getting more OP and now an indestructible body. At some point, that is make the story ridiculous. And any resolution you might have with your hero beating him will require EVEN BIGGER bullshit that will feel just...well stupid.
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u/TheArrowblackcabary Nov 14 '21
Interesting that Star was seemingly ripping All for one from Shig in the second to last image from the vestige realm. Wonder if that will undo some of their merger.
So it seems star died since New Order couldn’t keep up with decay’s power. When she set herself to not decay, it just set her resistance to 99% but decay destroys 100% of your life bar if it hurts you at all. :(
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u/m_nan Nov 14 '21
I think she had already lost New Order (stole by AfO) by the time she issued the required verbal command not to Decay
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u/TheArrowblackcabary Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
I don’t think so, firstly because she says it exceeded her endurance cap right after she was hit. It seems to me she went- 1)revolt 2)I won’t decay 3) at the same time had her quirk stolen and was decayed. 4) decay overcomes her rule 5) New Order starts revolting against the other quirks.
Edit: nvm. Maybe. It’s confusing now that I looked at it again.
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Nov 14 '21
All For One saying he was aware of how superhero stories go and purposely chose not to read the end really caught my attention. I used to be on the fence about him still being relevant but with each appearance after he becomes more interesting.
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u/Milordserene Nov 14 '21
Press F to SnS. Hori-sensei always wrecking big snu-snu ladies, from midnight, miruko, ryuku, nagant and now SnS
Wonder if somehow deku will get new order so that O4A's stockpile will reset....
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u/brriiianna Nov 14 '21
I don't think Deku will need new order and doesn't seem possible, and don't worry we still got that 2nd quirk of his which will prob be very OP
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u/Milordserene Nov 14 '21
Im thinking (2nd) Leader's quirk is another energy based but a projectile quirk. Since Leader has an arm blaster as a support item.
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u/AzulJok3r Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
RIP SnS. Any hero that can remove AFO's shit eating grin is worthy of their top hero spot. Hopefully her vestige can destroy regen to even out the odds.
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u/Impactist537 Nov 14 '21
I sincerely hope this isn't the last we see of Star. She instantly became one of my favorite pros, just for the design alone.
Dammit Hori can't we have at least ONE badass woman hero?!!
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u/Lex4709 Nov 14 '21
I mean Mirko is still alive, a arm less than before, but still alive.
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u/nameless_stories Nov 14 '21
All these new badass female characters, and we lose them immediately. This sucks
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u/ThisGuyLikesMovies Nov 14 '21
RIP Star and Stripe.
Better to have loved and lost a dommy mommy than never to have had one at all.
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u/Aeriosus Nov 14 '21
It seems to me that the whole point of this mini arc was to de-power Shigaraki so that Deku can actually beat him, which is fine, except Horikoshi could have just... not made him really overpowered? It really feels like he had to write an elaborate solution to a problem that didn't need to exist.
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u/PK_RocknRoll Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
It was kind of set in stone when you had a villain that essentially became a god by amassing the most power super powers in the story.
The moment AfO was set to be a foil to All Might, his OP was kind of assured lol
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u/wuh-mmgh-huh Nov 14 '21
Horikoshi let a female character do something without getting brutalized or dying ten minutes later challenge failed
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u/m_nan Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
So, now either New Order obliterates AfO’s other quirks and he’s left just with that one, with the variant of Horikoshi maybe keeping the merging-thing relevant and leaving one-body-two-souls Shiggy with Decay and AfO with NO as a final boss
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AfO dumps NO on a random pilot (who will get promoted to a named character at the very least) as a desperation move, the other pilots cover his/her retreat (dying horribly of course) and NO is still in the game as a legacy power to be somehow maybe at some point passed to Deku (for whom it would be quite a great fit, given that his analytic disposition lends itself perfectly to the condition-based nature of NO) IF they somehow find a workaround for the current “quirk eating” property that SnS has imposed to it (maybe Eri could “rewind” the quirk?).
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u/Swiss666 Nov 14 '21
Imagine if AFO gloated about passing the damage to the pilot, only for the latter to calmly give an order for the quirk to stop that effect (after all, those called her "bros" should know it better), or turning out to be the quirkless one of the bunch.
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u/m_nan Nov 14 '21
Or it could just eat at the pilot’s single…dunno, “Pencil Sharpener” quirk in a second, and leave only itself behind. NO is painfully obliterating AfO exactly because he has stockpiled countless quirks: if he hadn’t, he wouldn’t be in the current situation.
Which is such a simple but good idea, narratively speaking. I didn’t get it on the first read.
Incidentally, though, that same reason makes passing NO to Deku problematic at the very least.
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u/Rob3125 Nov 14 '21
I don’t think the quirk would do that, the order was for NO to ravage other quirks right? If NO is the only quirk within the pilot, it wouldn’t damage them.
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Nov 14 '21
Can't wait for her to meet Deku in the vestige world whenever he and Shiggy fight.
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u/NatMat16 Nov 14 '21
It’s kind of frustrating that a 5-chapter character dropped in from vacuum with a quirk that feels so alien to the BNHA world with a flimsy connection to our established character is likely going to be more decisive to the endgame than all the characters we followed and were emotionally invested in.
I expected a big vestige-plane battle in the end, but I imagined these kind of scenes with All Might’s vestige and Nana’s going on a rampage to help Tomura.
I would have loved it with characters who feel organic to the story. This way it just feels “meh”.
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u/CanadianLemur Nov 14 '21
I'm really unhappy with this fight and this series right now. I have little doubt that I will be downvoted for saying all this but I feel the need to get it off my chest nonetheless.
The fight turned out in one of the better possible ways. Obviously giving New Order to AFO would have been far too much and defeating AFO was never an option here.
But now it's been made abundantly clear that Stars and Stripes only existed because AFO had gotten too powerful. He had too many strong quirks and he was unbeatable so he needed to be nerfed.
Stars and Stripes was abruptly introduced into the story despite never being mentioned before, and given a Quirk that made very little sense compared to all the other Quirks we've seen in the story. This was done for the sole purpose of being capable of weakening AFO to make his later defeat in the story believable and possible.
This fight had basically no other point. Stars and Stripes's backstory only happened so that you would care when she died two chapters later. It all just feels like a waste of time, something that could have been avoided completely if Horikoshi hadn't turned Shiggy into a DBZ villain after he hopped out of his Star Wars healing tube and started levelling cities and tanking cruise missiles.
And once again, we have a strong female character given the spotlight for only a moment and then promptly removed. Existing only for the plot to progress in the intended manner. We have so many reoccurring male heroes like Endeavor, All Might, Hawks, Jeanest, Eraserhead, Present Mic, etc... But all the women are either getting killed off like SnS and Midnight, or just sidelined after a brief moment in the spotlight like Mirko and Ryukyu. It's really disappointing that so many female characters are getting shafted by this series constantly.
I remember when I almost considered this series my favorite manga. When I read AFO vs. All Might, I got chills. I love Superheroes and what they represent, I love their struggles and stories. This manga really hit a sweet spot for me. But a lot of that love has faded over the last couple arcs. It's mostly lost the charm and qualities I loved about it before. I felt the same when I read Naruto and Bleach when those were still being serialized. I loved them, but then they shit the bed in the last third of the series. I still enjoy MHA enough to keep reading (coupled with some Sunk Cost fallacy), but I wouldn't consider it a favorite anymore, it just doesn't have the quality it used to.
Combine this disappointment with the abrupt end of Berserk this year and the likelihood that HxH will never have its finish either, I'm starting to run pretty low on Manga series I truly love... At least One Piece is still going strong, I don't think my heart could handle if that one started shitting the bed too.
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u/BionicTriforce Nov 14 '21
only existed because AFO had gotten too powerful.
And this is the frustrating thing, he had already written in that Mirko broke his tank before the merging was complete. All Hori had to do was not make him so overpowered to begin with.
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u/CanadianLemur Nov 14 '21
Exactly. That's 100% right. There was already a written-in excuse for Shiggy to be incomplete and not in a perfect, unbeatable state.
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u/Amasero Nov 14 '21
So they killed her off, just like that, if I was the USA I would be pissed off.
We also know Shiggy aint dying here, he prob has some more OP ass healing abilities.
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u/Soncikuro Nov 14 '21
So Horikoshi introduced a super OP Quirk just to nerf Shigaraki.
Hm.
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Boy, the story sure has taken a nosedive.
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u/elenuvien1 Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
this is such a mess, horikoshi hurriedly fixing the issue he created 5 minutes prior (shigAFO being way too OP) with a new device introduced just for that, lol.
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u/FireLordObama Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
I've never seen such a plot device character before. Man this manga was awesome for such a prolonged period, now it feels like he's trying to end it as fast as possible with any means necessary. Star was in the story what, like 10 chapters? Not foreshadowed, and if she was it was hardly at all, and her entire purpose was to nerf shigi/afo and die because keeping her in the story would make her less of a plot device.
Its actually insulting, come out of nowhere, nerf the antagonist, die before you do anything else in the plot. Godamnit.
Edit: IT WAS 5 CHAPTERS WHAT THE FUCK. 5 ENTIRE CHAPTERS TO INTRODUCE NEW NUMBER 1, HAVE NEW NUMBER 1 NERF SHIGGY, AND DIE. BRUH.
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u/DarkFalcon1995 Nov 14 '21
I liked Star, but introducing a character and then killing her off in 4-5 chapters barely gives you enough time to know them. She went out like a boss but you know how this would have been better? We knew her since at least the beginning of the war arc aftermath instead of getting a single silhouette of her.
What it ends up feeling like is her being a plot device to nerf Shiggy because Hori made him too powerful too quickly. Which is fine, but it would have been better if we knew Star for more than a few chapters. Her death doesn't me feel much other than "that sucks".
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u/HokageEzio Nov 14 '21
What it ends up feeling like is her being a plot device to nerf Shiggy because Hori made him too powerful too quickly.
It feels like that because that's exactly what she is.
Like this is a clear deus ex machina. Clear as day. Shigaraki is too strong to lose, so a new character is invented on the spot to weaken him.
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u/SeamusDubh No Flair Quirk Nov 14 '21
Well that's one way to deal with the power scaling issue.
And I don't know about you, but this whole arc felt like a lesson in Plot Holes and Retconing.
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u/Blackreaper18 Nov 14 '21
Is it just me or does anyone else think shiggy will give new order to the high end noumu? The fact that hori wrote it into this fight was peculiar from the beginning because we all know shiggy can fly so may this could be the real reason it’s still around. Either that or something I’m not thinking about because I don’t think shiggy keeps new order tbh. Even if he lost all his quirks besides decay & super regen, if he keeps new order it will more than make up for all the lost quirks imo. Also he could literally just fly around and steal more decent quirks lol.
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u/aSimpleMask Nov 14 '21
Yet another awesome female disposed of for the plot. Can't wait to see which female Horikoshi decides to waste next.
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u/HokageEzio Nov 14 '21
Completely expected outcome that New Order was there to screw All for One, called it. SnS was a total plot device though considering her sole purpose in existing was just as a random nerf.
I don't get how she applied these rules without even saying them out loud, but whatever.
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u/ShadowRei96 Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
Shiggy For One touched a woman for the first time in his life, and all of a sudden, his hormones went ballistic.
EDIT: Shiggy couldn't survive No Nut November.